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Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #275 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:48:13 PM »

You guys better watch out. Your going to forget about the tier list and then, in the blink of an eye, you'll learn that Captain Falcon is above Meta-Knight.

NotOfThisWorld66 · « **Reply #276 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:26:02 PM »

There are ways to beat MK, but it seems as though (because of the relatively recent release of the game) none have really found where he's weak. You have to keep in mind his weaknesses. For one, he has NO projectiles, so characters with long range attacks are probably good matchups for him. For instance, Falco's blaster, if one uses it well, may be a great weapon for use against MK. Or all of Snake's weaponry. Secondly, MK is light and small, and thus flies farther when hit. This could be a small disadvantage for him. Thirdly, his attacks are decently weak, so he must rely on accumulating damage. A player battling MK may try in some way to keep MK from using many combos. Fourthly, MK is rather slow in the air, so one might try to keep the battle as aerial as possible to take advantage of this weakness. Fifthly, MK is very good at recovery, so one might try to star KO him rather than edge guard him. Some things to keep in mind. I think players haven't really tried to use these disadvantages. They merely have assumed they are unbeatable and haven't looked into how to take advantage of them. Any thoughts on this?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #277 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:39:50 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on November 13, 2009, 04:48:13 PM

You guys better watch out. Your going to forget about the tier list and then, in the blink of an eye, you'll learn that Captain Falcon is above Meta-Knight.

I thought you switched your main to Ganondorf, since he's at the bottom of the tier list?

NotOfThisWorld66 · « **Reply #278 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:42:18 PM »

I'm not sure I would put Ganondorf at the bottom of the tier list for Melee or Brawl. My brother mains Ganondorf and he's a force to be reckoned with (my brothers and I have played Smash for a long, long time

).

Master KChief · « **Reply #279 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:45:59 PM »

ganondorf is at the very bottom of the tier list.

lightningninja · « **Reply #280 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:48:36 PM »

Ganandorf is pretty awesome.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #281 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:51:00 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on November 13, 2009, 05:48:36 PM

Ganandorf is pretty awesome.

in Melee. in Brawl he's horrid.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #282 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:52:21 PM »

Gannondorf will never be anything more than a Captain Falcon wannabe, even if the Zelda games. Captain Falcon will always be the best character; even if the tier list disagrees.

lightningninja · « **Reply #283 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:53:29 PM »

Ganandorf is WAY better, even in Brawl. Captain Falcon is pretty aweful.

Master KChief · « **Reply #284 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:53:40 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on November 13, 2009, 05:51:00 PM

Quote from: lightningninja on November 13, 2009, 05:48:36 PM
Ganandorf is pretty awesome.

in Melee. in Brawl he's horrid.

meh, hes not that great in melee either. mid tier.

NotOfThisWorld66 · « **Reply #285 on:** November 13, 2009, 06:20:03 PM »

Ganondorf isn't "horrid" in any of the games. I think one just has to take the time and energy to become a good player with him.

BTW, Ganondorf is NOT a Captain Falcon wannabe. Not in the Zelda games, not in the Smash games, etc etc. One may argue reasonably that Captain Falcon is easier to use in Smash or is slightly better at full potential, but to insult Ganondorf for his POSSIBLE, SLIGHT inferiority to Captain Falcon in terms of Smash movesets is simply absurd. To try to determine who is the better character is a matter of opinion.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #286 on:** November 13, 2009, 06:46:44 PM »

Ganondorf is horrid. Captain Falcon has speed working for him. Ganondorf has NOTHING in his favor. only a complete idiot will be hit by him.

which implies that I'm a complete idiot. but still.

Quote from: NotOfThisWorld66 on November 13, 2009, 06:20:03 PM

Ganondorf isn't "horrid" in any of the games. I think one just has to take the time and energy to become a good player with him.

nobody is "horrid" if you define it that way. anybody can beat lvl 9 n00biness. only certain characters stand a chance against top-tier characters who are player controlled.

Master KChief · « **Reply #287 on:** November 13, 2009, 07:48:32 PM »

exactly. some may argue that ganondorf can be good in the right hands, but any other character in brawl can be better in the hands of someone of similiar skill. that is why he is at the bottom of the tier list, because:

sluggish moves
terrible out-of-shield options
horrible spot dodge
limited approach options
predictable recovery
poor mobility
terrible matchups against those with projectiles
horrible tournament results

just to name a few.

Kyp Henderson · « **Reply #288 on:** November 13, 2009, 08:41:14 PM »

Well, in my town, Meta Knight stinks, no matter who plays with him. I even had an epic battle where I was the Pokemon team and he lost 5-0. And yes, snake is good, if you play with the brawl power and are good at aiming. Bowser is unbeatable when he is mega-Bowser. But I take it that none of you like to play with the "smash."

P.S. I like diddy-kong too, but I don't play with him much. Most of the time I just choose random and have a go with whatever character, but I am not saying I am pro or anything.

lightningninja · « **Reply #289 on:** November 13, 2009, 08:49:23 PM »

Ganandorf's Down kick in air is pretty awesome though for chasing people off the cliff.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #290 on:** November 13, 2009, 10:23:11 PM »

I think Ganondorf and Captain Falcon are highly underrated. ...Apparently not by you guys though.

Ganondorf definitely doesn't belong at the bottom of the list (behind Jigglypuff, really?), and Captain Falcon deserves to be much higher. Seriously, what's wrong with him? He has good speed, good recovery, power to the max, and of course...FALCON PUUUNCH!

Master KChief · « **Reply #291 on:** November 13, 2009, 10:51:24 PM »

jigglypuff has solid air game.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #292 on:** November 13, 2009, 11:01:19 PM »

...Nnnnnnnnoo, no he does not.

All of Jigglypuff's attacks are very shortrange, exept for his B attack, which stinks tacos. None of them are very powerful, either. All Jigglypuff can do is jump a lot.

Master KChief · « **Reply #293 on:** November 14, 2009, 12:04:42 AM »

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyes, yes he does. with 6 jumps, the second fastest air speed in the game (yoshi being first), the slowest falling speed, and rising pound, jigglypuff DOMINATES in aerial combat. more importantly, his f-air and b-air moves allow him to use the wall of pain technique very very very effectively letting him ko opponents at low percentages by being juggled off-screen. jigglypuff owns air.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #294 on:** November 14, 2009, 09:54:46 AM »

Did you copy that from Wiki and then edit it?

lightningninja · « **Reply #295 on:** November 14, 2009, 04:42:07 PM »

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. But jigglypuff has mad aerial skills.

Master KChief · « **Reply #296 on:** November 14, 2009, 04:46:57 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on November 14, 2009, 04:42:07 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. But jigglypuff has mad aerial skills.

i thought i already said this.

NotOfThisWorld66 · « **Reply #297 on:** November 15, 2009, 12:04:59 AM »

Ring Wraith, I think you're looking at Ganondorf's weaknesses and not at his strengths. In the right hands, Ganondorf can definitely pack some punch and dodge attacks. Take the roll for instance. Ganondorf's is actually quite fast and effective. When my brother (the one that mains Ganondorf) plays against me (and I main MK, Mario, Link, and Fox), he uses the roll very very effectively to avoid my attacks. Combine that with Ganondorf's superb strength and you've got a really good player!

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #298 on:** November 15, 2009, 12:11:39 AM »

This is like saying Magikarp is a legit competitive battle option. Ganondorf just isn't good in the competitive battle sphere with people who play this game mroe than should be allowed. I think they know what they are saying. Personal expirience means nothing.

Master KChief · « **Reply #299 on:** November 15, 2009, 12:45:38 AM »

i'll agree that ganondorf does pack more than one of the most powerful moves in the game, but they're easily telegraphed and hes just overall way too slow. ganondorf is, without fail, and agreed upon by 100% pro players, the worse character in brawl.

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