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Unforgivable, if MK is faster, than how do you intend on LANDING said "kill moves"? GG.Trust me, you'll NEVER land his up-b on any competent MK. Yeah it's the glitch. All you have to do is down-b then mash up on the c-stick.it's pretty hard to do for extended amounts of time.
In speed, i mean attacking speed. In the air, however, luigi is faster. In the span of his jump and ONE double jump, he can pull off all 5 air attacks (MK can't.) He can evade and roll just as fast. Luigi, like MK, is good at getting people to high percents quickly. A skilled Luigi player could land a "kill-move" right when an MK gets done with a roll to the side; it isn't too hard. It would take lots of GREAT timing to do an up-b, but it's possible. It can be done on the ground or in the air sometimes gets the job done too; air is harder. I've done both on many occasions. Giggity.
I've been using Wolf alot, is Falco a smarter choice with an easy transition since their moves are practically the same?Wolf is so much fun, he's a freakin' wolf.SnakeMarthIkeWolfwhat should be my fifth guy? I've been trying to work with D3 and MK... not that good yet. and I've used Pit some, but I've started to think that he's too weak.
Quote from: TH3 UNF0RG1V4BL3 on June 10, 2009, 03:23:29 PMIn speed, i mean attacking speed. In the air, however, luigi is faster. In the span of his jump and ONE double jump, he can pull off all 5 air attacks (MK can't.) He can evade and roll just as fast. Luigi, like MK, is good at getting people to high percents quickly. A skilled Luigi player could land a "kill-move" right when an MK gets done with a roll to the side; it isn't too hard. It would take lots of GREAT timing to do an up-b, but it's possible. It can be done on the ground or in the air sometimes gets the job done too; air is harder. I've done both on many occasions. Giggity.LOLWUT?MK's Dair and U-air are the faster than any of Luigi's aerials.MK can u-air THREE TIMES in ONE SHORT HOP. Imagine how many times he can do it with a FULL jump and a double jump.I've played pros. I'm among the top 15 Sonics in this country. I've seen many games between the best of the best.Luigi's problem against MK is killing. an MK that perfectly spaces his attacks will simply win this matchup. MK has more range, more speed, better recovery, and more kill moves than Luigi.
wi-fi is regarded as joke in the tourney scene. Lag lets you get away with ANYTHING online. It's so hard to punish online.
GIGGITY GIGGITY WHAT?? More kill moves than Luigi? I'm not completely sure if you're serious, 'cause he DOESN'T. Luigi, hands down, has more power than MK. As for speed, his air attacks may be faster, but he can't pull them off in chains as quickly. I mean, w/MK, if an opponent dodges his primary air attack, it may be too late by then; MK might get hit. This may not happen all the time, but lots of the time, it happens. With Luigi, if he misses, he can do another move by the time they get done dodging, and without giving them a chance to dodge again. You said he can do MK's u-air 3x is one hop, well what about everything else? Can he do his forward-a 3x in a jump? No, but Luigi can. Same with his down-a. As for recovery, I must say MK's is a little better. I say that because, when combining the double jump, the down-b and the Luigi missile (rarely with a boost), Luigi can survive almost any situation. MK does have better range, but not by too much. Please keep in mind that i don't mean any of this in a bad way.
Luigi has f-smash and up-b. MK has d-smash, f-smash, up-b AND glide attack.If MK misses an attack he WILL hit with another one. That's how fast he is. Luigi can do all of that in a full jump + the double jump. MK can do it in one short hop.I'm gonna say up front that Luigi's recovery is one of his weaknesses. It's horrible. Really easy to intercept. MK on the other hand has over 9000 ways to recover safely ( and trust me HE WILL).and it's all good, I like a good debate
I still haven't seen anyone good enough with MK to realize how good he is... and even I know MK would pwn luigi.
I'm not saying one is better than the other, i'm just trying to show people he isn't horrible and has LOTS of potential (and that he's in the wrong tier.) I do agree; MK is a very amazing character, one of the best. I'm saying Luigi also is a really great character. I'm not saying he'd totally OWN MK or anything like that, though it could happen; ya never know.
Luigi, for kill moves, has u-smash, f-smash, d-smash, up-b and at higher percentages, a in the air.Luigi doesn't even have to worry about hitting again (sometimes twice) if he misses. MK's moves (particularly the f-a and back-a, the majorly used air attacks) usually send them out of reach for another hit. Maybe not the up-a and down-a. Lu's midair forward-a, back-a and up-a don't always send people too far (unless at hi%), giving him a chance to get another hit in and raise damage quicker.When you say "MK can do it in one short hop" are you talking about all 5 air attacks? Because he can't do them in one hop or a jump and double jump. 1. He doesn't get lots of air on his first jump (unlike Luigi)2. Forward-a and back-a in the air take too long to execute to do all 5 quickly.Luigi's recovery is not at a weakness; it's amazing. The double jump and 'nado alone get him on the stage almost every time. If it gets intercepted, he just does the missile move back on stage. It's fun to run into people when ya get that rare boost. Quote from: lightningninja on June 11, 2009, 01:10:42 AMI still haven't seen anyone good enough with MK to realize how good he is... and even I know MK would pwn luigi. I'm not saying one is better than the other, i'm just trying to show people he isn't horrible and has LOTS of potential (and that he's in the wrong tier.) I do agree; MK is a very amazing character, one of the best. I'm saying Luigi also is a really great character. I'm not saying he'd totally OWN MK or anything like that, though it could happen; ya never know.
d-smash certainly does NOT kill, till ridiculously high damage it doesnt.1 short hop is shorter than 1 full jump. to short hop, lightly press the jump button. Luigi's recovery is GARBAGE. lol. IT'S ALL TO EASY TO INTERCEPT.MK's moves chain perfectly into other moves. u-air can lead into a plethora of other moves.I've been to loads of tourneys. Luigi's tourney results are not impressive at all. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=165954^^^ This thread is another kind of ranking list. It's based solely on tournament results.Luigi doesnt look tourney viable at all.
Every character has their strengths and weaknesses. If you only emphasize on the strengths and ignore the weaknesses it will seem like that character is one of the better ones.Things you haven't mentioned about Luigi:-He has trouble against campers (not as bad as some characters, at least)-His recovery suffers. (His side-b and the tornado things are easy to predict and even easier to stop)-He has a terrible projectile. Its better than not having one, but every other projectile in the game is better imo...-He is very non-maneuverable in the air, even though he has lots of great aerials.-He has terrible range.++++++++++ lots more stuff.
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