Author Topic: Hearthstone (Read 216107 times)

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #775 on:** March 20, 2015, 10:18:57 AM »

The mage one is really really good. Warlock is eh. Hunter is bad,

browarod · « **Reply #776 on:** March 20, 2015, 12:30:18 PM »

I like the mage one but ugh, didn't really need another 3-drop.

Chris · « **Reply #777 on:** March 20, 2015, 12:41:57 PM »

Quote from: Westy on March 20, 2015, 10:18:57 AM

The mage one is really really good. Warlock is eh. Hunter is bad,

How is Imp Gang Boss eh? The core principal of Zoo is trading as efficiently as possible. 4 health is the sweet spot for a 3 mana minion, which is why Spider Tank is so playable in Mech Mage despite it not doing anything special. You're essentially guaranteed 3/5 worth of stats minimum with IGB, and that's often going to be higher, since very few played minions at 3 mana or lower have 4 attack. Absolute staple in my opinion.

Quote from: browarod on March 20, 2015, 12:30:18 PM

I like the mage one but ugh, didn't really need another 3-drop.

Er... what do you mean? Mech Mage typically only uses four 3 drops (two Tinkertown Techs and your choice of Spider Tanks or Harvest Golems), since the secrets don't really count. Tempo Mage uses even less.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #778 on:** March 20, 2015, 01:13:43 PM »

Flamewaker seems more like a control mage card than mechmage.

Imp Gang Boss is boss.

Core Rager... that deathwing synergy! (This card is garbage)

Chris · « **Reply #779 on:** March 20, 2015, 02:11:41 PM »

I was just pointing out that all of the current mainstream Mage decks aren't really using many 3 drops, so I'm confused why browarod takes issue with the cost.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #780 on:** March 20, 2015, 07:13:45 PM »

Zoo is about sticky minions more than anything else. This doesn't do the job great, but it'll probably fill the 3 drop roll.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #781 on:** March 20, 2015, 09:15:28 PM »

Imp Gang Boss is a Zoo/Midrange staple for sure. I'd say more than 50% of the time this is going to summon at least 2 Imps, which makes it terrific. It is good even if it only summons 1 Imp, and in the case that it summons nothing, it probably did as much as a Spider Tank would. Its only major weakness that I can see is Cabal Shadow Priests (or Kodos).

I'm not yet sure on Flamewaker. It's likely that most of the time that this card is played on turn 3, it will survive until turn 4 and then get to show off at least once on the next turn. It is probably going to be worthwhile if it shoots 2 missiles and it will definitely be worthwhile if it shoots 4. Tentatively, I really like this card, but I don't think it fits in Mech Mage (which is probably a good thing).

Core Rager is crap. It's crap if it is played as a 4/4 and if it's played as a 7/7 it will be the only BGH target in the deck ... making it crap. The only viable strategy that uses this card is to travel to a parallel universe where this card is good.

Drrek · « **Reply #782 on:** March 20, 2015, 09:21:54 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on March 20, 2015, 09:15:28 PM

Core Rager is crap. It's crap if it is played as a 4/4 and if it's played as a 7/7 it will be the only BGH target in the deck ... making it crap. The only viable strategy that uses this card is to travel to a parallel universe where this card is good.

Or draft it in arena where its actually pretty good

But yeah, pretty terrible in constructed.

browarod · « **Reply #783 on:** March 24, 2015, 03:50:27 PM »

2 more cards revealed.

Drrek · « **Reply #784 on:** March 24, 2015, 03:52:41 PM »

Blackwing Corruptor is incredible for dragon decks. Auto-include for dragon decks.

Dragon's Breath is pretty meh, not worth an include in constructed but reasonable enough if you have to take it in arena.

Chris · « **Reply #785 on:** March 24, 2015, 09:34:19 PM »

Quote from: Drrek on March 24, 2015, 03:52:41 PM

Blackwing Corruptor is incredible for dragon decks. Auto-include for dragon decks.

Dragon's Breath is pretty meh, not worth an include in constructed but reasonable enough if you have to take it in arena.

I fully expect Dragon's Breath to be a staple in any kind of frost or mill Mage variants.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #786 on:** March 25, 2015, 08:58:31 AM »

Blackwing Corruptor is a pretty basic and pretty powerful dragon deck card (which is starting to make dragon decks look pretty boring so far). It's a staple without a doubt.

I think Dragon's Breath is also really good. The Doomsayer + Frost Nova combo makes it very efficient damage in a freeze mage deck. And even if you just make a single one-for-one trade during your turn, it costs 3, which is good for a simple 4 damage spell (and fairly easy to pull off in a mech mage deck).

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #787 on:** March 25, 2015, 09:50:34 AM »

I don't get the point of Doomsayer + Frost Nova + Dragon's Breath.... hit their face for 4 damage?

browarod · « **Reply #788 on:** March 25, 2015, 10:15:29 AM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on March 25, 2015, 09:50:34 AM

I don't get the point of Doomsayer + Frost Nova + Dragon's Breath.... hit their face for 4 damage?

Or hit their deathrattle-summoned minion for 4. Some smarty-pants plays a Nerubian Egg when you have everything frozen and Doomsayer out, it pops, you kill it for free with Dragon's Breath.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #789 on:** March 25, 2015, 12:58:04 PM »

Here's my view of the card.

If played without using the cost reduction, it is absolutely horrible.

If played with the cost reduction, it's comparable to flamecannon.

In the rare case you manage to get it to zero mana, it's okay.

Why would I ever need to run such a conditional card over flamecannon, frostbolt, and fireball?

browarod · « **Reply #790 on:** March 25, 2015, 01:03:18 PM »

I wasn't saying it was a good card, just pointing out another use for it.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #791 on:** March 25, 2015, 01:40:50 PM »

The one silver lining...

It's a common card, meaning mages have a chance of getting this instead of flamestrike in arena!

Drrek · « **Reply #792 on:** March 26, 2015, 01:37:16 AM »

I was the scumbag mage today.

Easiest 12 wins of my life

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #793 on:** March 26, 2015, 07:44:43 AM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on March 25, 2015, 12:58:04 PM

Why would I ever need to run such a conditional card over flamecannon, frostbolt, and fireball?

You don't have to play it over those cards - you can play it in addition to those cards.

Drrek · « **Reply #794 on:** March 26, 2015, 08:04:26 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on March 26, 2015, 07:44:43 AM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on March 25, 2015, 12:58:04 PM
Why would I ever need to run such a conditional card over flamecannon, frostbolt, and fireball?
You don't have to play it over those cards - you can play it in addition to those cards.

The issue is there's just not enough deck space in most mage decks to even run flamecannon, there's definitely not enough space to run a mediocre burn spell like Dragon's breath.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #795 on:** March 26, 2015, 09:14:51 AM »

First of all, if you get Dragon's Breath to cost 2, it is significantly better than flamecannon because 1) it's aimable and 2) it can hit face.

Freeze mage decks do not run Flamecannon as far as I have ever seen because it cannot hit face, and that's the point of damage spells in that deck. However, I believe they would happily run Dragon's Breath, which will often be a free source of damage after a board clear or a way to clean up after an almost board clear.

Drrek · « **Reply #796 on:** March 26, 2015, 09:25:44 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on March 26, 2015, 09:14:51 AM

First of all, if you get Dragon's Breath to cost 2, it is significantly better than flamecannon because 1) it's aimable and 2) it can hit face.

Freeze mage decks do not run Flamecannon as far as I have ever seen because it cannot hit face, and that's the point of damage spells in that deck. However, I believe they would happily run Dragon's Breath, which will often be a free source of damage after a board clear or a way to clean up after an almost board clear.

If is the important word in the "if you get dragon's breath to cost 2". Flame cannon is way more consistent, and, if you are able to trade enough to get a 2 mana dragon's breath, you are probably able to aim the flame cannon at whatever minion you want anyway.

Freeze mage will never run Dragon's breath, the deck list for freeze mage is pretty tight as it is, and their goal is not to play a bunch of burn spells to kill you. Their goal is to alex you to 15 then burn you out, which is accomplished with much more efficient burn spells than dragon's breath (ice lance, frost bolt, fireball). You don't even see freeze mages ever run 2 pyroblasts, and that's more efficient than dragon's breath.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #797 on:** March 26, 2015, 02:39:08 PM »

Drrek · « **Reply #798 on:** March 26, 2015, 03:04:02 PM »

Volcanic Drake feels like it could either be pretty good or crap. I'll have to see how the dragon decks that pop up function before I commit to an opinion on this card

Drakonid Crusher seems like another sad loss in the never-ending war on BGH. However, if dragon decks end up pumped full of bgh targets, he seems like he might be reasonable, though having no immediate impact on the board for a bgh target seems bad.

Nefarian seems like he should be compared to Ysera. Both are very late game dragons that generate card advantage for you. Ysera isn't weak to BGH, but Nefarian has the more threatening body. Ysera's cards are of higher quality, but Nefarian gets you 2 immediately. Ultimately I think he's a fair card, but I don't know if that's enough to get him to see play.

browarod · « **Reply #799 on:** March 26, 2015, 03:23:10 PM »

I hope they fix the centering issue on the healths of those cards before putting them into the game....

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