Author Topic: Hearthstone (Read 220227 times)

Master KChief · « **Reply #350 on:** September 18, 2014, 04:45:56 PM »

Control Priest does very poorly against Miracle. Deathrattle is a bit better if it can keep tempo, but it's still a bad matchup for Priest.

Deathrattle Priest is also Zetalot's, not Kibler's.

Drrek · « **Reply #351 on:** September 18, 2014, 10:21:19 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on September 18, 2014, 04:45:56 PM

Control Priest does very poorly against Miracle. Deathrattle is a bit better if it can keep tempo, but it's still a bad matchup for Priest.

Deathrattle Priest is also Zetalot's, not Kibler's.

You are correct, I was mixing it up because Kibler uses the deck as the deck he's most familiar with.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #352 on:** September 19, 2014, 03:10:14 AM »

Today while watching streams, Forsen, Kibler, and Zetalot all used the deck.

Those were the only constructed streams I watched today.

browarod · « **Reply #353 on:** September 19, 2014, 02:11:41 PM »

So Kel'Thuzad turns out to be a great add. Had a game where I pulled him out, then immediately AS'd him. 2 Kels for the price of 1 (+2)!

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #354 on:** September 19, 2014, 02:49:37 PM »

Frost Mage seems really good against Priest. I guess I'm going to ladder with that for awhile (currently over 50% of my games are against Priest...)

browarod · « **Reply #355 on:** September 19, 2014, 02:57:14 PM »

Speaking of Priest, I've lost every match against Priests today with my RattleSham deck. It just doesn't do well when they sit there stealing my stuff.

Master KChief · « **Reply #356 on:** September 19, 2014, 09:33:26 PM »

12-0 Arena with Mage. Bottom 6 are Kodo, Blizzard, Frost Elemental, 2x Flamestrike, and Stormwind Champion.

browarod · « **Reply #357 on:** September 21, 2014, 01:43:42 PM »

Shining MVP award for KT today. Love the synergy with AS and Reincarnate. 1 KT giving you trouble? Here, have 3 more.

He conceded his next turn.

TheMarti · « **Reply #358 on:** September 21, 2014, 02:09:24 PM »

Hahaha, that is the most amazing board I have EVER seen.

Master KChief · « **Reply #359 on:** September 21, 2014, 03:04:04 PM »

That is completely awesome.

browarod · « **Reply #360 on:** September 22, 2014, 01:34:54 PM »

Sometimes I wish I did streaming/recording, even for my own personal use, cuz I totally would have submitted that game to Trolden, haha.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #361 on:** September 23, 2014, 04:05:59 AM »

Similar things have been done, with Earth Elemental or Leeroy Jenkins, but is usually setup.

I'm reconsidering everything about the arena lately. Mage is obviously still top tier, but lately Shaman has been doing incredible for me.

At this point, my class picks are generally:
Top Tier:
Mage
Shaman

Mid Tier:
Rogue
Druid
Priest
Paladin

Bottom Tier:
Warlock
Hunter (RIP Buzzard)
Warrior

Mage is obvious. Skillstrike OP, not to mention a bunch of other removal spells. Plus Water Elemental.
Shaman has incredible tempo swings if you use the overload cards correctly. The main issue is getting rushed and not having Lightning Storm, but otherwise you're golden. I personally love Forked Lightning.
Rogue seems to pull out silly wins. I know it used to have the highest winrate, and it's generally done well for me, but I've never figured out why.
Druid is very hit or miss for me. Sometimes you get great drafts with really strong cards and sometimes you don't get Swipe.
Priest is fun enough to try. The hero power can keep control of the board and Thoughtsteal is basically a better Arcane Intellect in Arena. Dark Cultist is also the best 3 drop in Arena (and maybe even the game, although Peacekeeper might refute that).
Paladin has really dropped in my eyes recently, and I'm not totally sure why--I've just been getting a lot of bad drafts with them, so I gave up on it and have been doing much better with other classes. Consecrate is a great mass removal spell, but too often I can't deal with the big minions. Maybe I should draft more Humility.
Warlock has moved up because of Void Terror, which is a really really good card if you have demons. It's still not a great class though. Life Tap is certainly good for keeping card advantage, but it's cost is simply not practical for the arena.
Hunter might be low, but I really don't feel like trying them without Buzzard. They still have Tracking, but D1 is simply not good enough.
Warrior is the class I'm least familiar with, and thus I'll never pick it. I also generally don't like classes that have to hit with their face a lot because health is very critical in the arena (which is why Warlock suffers). It seems like Warrior is best suited at staying alive into the late game, but in Arena they can swarm you with minions and removal isn't nearly as easy to come by.

Master KChief · « **Reply #362 on:** September 23, 2014, 10:39:56 AM »

I agree with a lot of that list for the most part. Mage and Shaman are my top 2 classes that average the most wins in Arena. Shaman has some of the best removal right behind Mage, but getting reliable AoE is at a premium.
Rogue has usually always underperformed for me, but I think that's due to personal playstyle more than anything. The class thrives on setting up and maintaining tempo plays, whereas I'm more of a midrange/control player in Arena.
I've always ranked Druid highly due to its great removal, AoE, and minion quality...the 3 ingredients necessary for long Arena runs according to Hafu. Druid has all of those at common slots...if you can get to the late game with Druid, the game is usually heavily in your favor.
Priest is fun to try. I'm actually working on my first ever Priest run for Arena, and loving it. The thing about Priest is it has A LOT of class cards that are highly powerful in a vacuum. The only thing holding it back is its useless hero power during the early game...perhaps the most pivotal and game changing turns during the entire game. However, usually if a Priest gets ahead on board its a win as it can always use its Hero power to make very favorable trades. I would also probably rank Aldor Peacekeeper a bit higher than Dark Cultist since it does something big the moment it hits the board (and I've never had trouble playing around Cultist in Arena or Constructed), but the outstanding body for a 3 drop plus the fact its a common vs a rare makes the competition of best 3 drop a bit closer than I tend to think.
Paladin has also been a hit or miss class with me. It's like, I know and understand it is in the top tier of Arena classes, but I just never tend to do well with it. In fact, its my class with the 2nd worse win rate in Arena. It might just be like the Rogue, a playstyle that doesn't fit me.
I won't comment much on Warlock since I've never done a Warlock Arena. You would think card advantage would be a big plus in Arena, but apparently that's not good enough for the class as a whole.
Hunter is...yeah. I just don't feel comfortable using it now with Buzzard at 5.
I've always liked Warrior because weapons are some of the best forms of removal in the game. The hero power mitigates the face damage which is good, but it suffers in that it doesn't impact the board in the least.

Drrek · « **Reply #363 on:** September 23, 2014, 12:33:27 PM »

For me Paladin is by far and away my best class in arena, I've had 4 or 5 twelve win paladin arenas, and simply getting paladin as my choice is usually a good indicator that it will be a 7+ win arena.

Shaman is my second best, but it has much more variance in how well I do with it. Still I've gotten several 12 win arenas with it, and it usually does well for me.

I'll admit it, I'm terrible with mage. But even I, who am bad with it, still have it working with me as its third best, its class cards are just that strong and its hero power is clearly the best in arena. I do have a 12 win with mage, but that's not the norm.

Druid is a relatively safe class for me in arena, and I put it as fourth. Its strong enough to be workable, but doesn't wow me with its cards like the first 3 do.

Warrior is surprisingly stronger than I thought it would be and I put it at my fifth strongest. The weapons are just so good in the board control meta that is arena, and Deathsbite is better truesilver (aka a top 3 paladin card, I'm sorry I ever doubted you deathsbite)

Priest is the king of the games that drag on. If you can get to turn 10 with a priest and are at least in a equal boardstate, I rarely see this class lose. Its hero power is terrible in the early game however and so it ranks 6th for me.

Warlock, your hero power is still amazingly good, but your class cards leave a lot to be desired. That said, voidcaller is the most amazing thing naxx could have given you and shoots up the warlock class a lot by itself in arena, imo. Still this class isn't exactly strong, so I put you down to 7th.

Rogue, I used to think you are good, but I don't know, you just seem to die too quickly and don't have enough great class cards for me anymore so you are 8th.

Hunter, you are in my opinion the most hit or miss class in arena. When you are great, you are fantastic, when you are bad, you are horrible. Too inconsistent for my taste, and your hero power does nothing in the early game (though like priest is great for games that drag on), so you rank last for me.

Drrek · « **Reply #364 on:** September 23, 2014, 02:19:53 PM »

Sorry for the double post, but HearthstoneOpen has recently announced a new type of play that they will be hosting, 4v4 teams.

Quote from: HearthstoneOpen

The Hearthstone Open presents a brand new 4v4 competitive team format: Draft Knock-Out
Compete, earn rank, win prizes. Does your team have what it takes?
Create your account here:
http://HearthstoneOpen.com/[2]
The team competition page is here:
Team Competition[3]
Take yourself away from the ladder grind for an evening and recruit some friends to join you in an exciting new team format. The website will guide you step-by-step through the team match and you will gain or lose rank for team wins and losses.
Teams of 4 compete against each other in a unique knock-out style format that takes advantage of your own individual strengths and play-style along with your knowledge of the current meta by requiring you to draft and counter-draft the right classes to outplay your opponents.
The Draft!
Once your team has a match, you will enter the draft phase.
Each team will take turns drafting from the pool of Hearthstone classes. Once a class is drafted, it is removed from the pool.
Do you put your weakest player up first to get the class they are best at? Or do you draft with your most versatile player first so they can counter the other team's pick?
The class you draft is the class you will play with.
Match Play!
To start, each team will present one player. Those two players will match up and play a best-of-1 in Hearthstone.
The winner of that game will stay to play again with the same deck.
The loser is knocked-out and the losing team must present one of their remaining players to compete.
Last team standing wins.
Team scoring:
Teams start with a rating of 1000.
Winning or losing will raise or lower your team rating using a traditional chess-style ELO system.
Seasonal play will coincide with Hearthstone seasons and winning teams will receive prizes and recognition.

Anyone on here interested in forming a team?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #365 on:** September 23, 2014, 09:24:45 PM »

Quote from: Drrek on September 23, 2014, 02:19:53 PM

Anyone on here interested in forming a team?

Of course.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #366 on:** September 23, 2014, 10:21:16 PM »

I would try this team thing although I am not versed in the meta and really only run a good hunter deck right now.

Drrek · « **Reply #367 on:** September 23, 2014, 10:38:45 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on September 23, 2014, 10:21:16 PM

I would try this team thing although I am not versed in the meta and really only run a good hunter deck right now.

Well because of the way the drafting works, you need at least a few decks to be an effective player in this format. Don't worry though, there are some cheaper decks you can try out like deathrattle priest and zoo.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #368 on:** September 23, 2014, 11:01:37 PM »

Currently built:
Zoo (although I need to find a replacement for Leeroy, who I may keep after all, but is disenchanted for the time being)
Control Paladin (various builds)
Control Priest
Deathrattle Priest
Frost Mage
Control Mage (I don't have giants though)
Backspace Rogue (which is pretty bad without Leeroy)

Right now I have about 30k dust (after disenchanting Leeroy), so I'm trying to decide the best way to spend it. Probably going to get a Bloodmage Thalnos and a Ragnaros, but I might go with Edwin Van Cleef and go for Malygos Rogue, which is really the only replacement for Leeroy right now, and truly isn't awful. I can also build just about any Hunter deck, but I'm not sure which form the next one will come in. Control Hunter seems like an odd concept, but perhaps you can midrange without Buzzard. Unlikely. I could probably craft the cards I need for Druid, which is 1 Force of Nature, 2 Ancient of Lores, and 1 Cenarius. I've been doing really well in the arena today, going 9, 6, 8, 6, and currently 3-1 so I'm hoping with some of the new found gold I can effectively fill out the missing slots for either Druid or Warrior.

tl;dr: My classes are Warlock (Zoo only), Hunter (still useful as a Handlock counter), Priest, Mage, and Paladin, with the option to finish one of the remaining three.

Current Legendaries:
Tirion, Grommash, Old Murk Eye, Cairne, Sylvanas, The Black Knight, Alexstraza, Deathwing, Malygos, Gruul
And of course Naxx Legendaries.
Notable Epics:
2x Force of Nature, 1x Ancient of War, 2x Snake Trap, 2x Ice Block, 1x Pyroblast, 2x Sword of Justice, 2x Avenging Wrath, 2x Lay on Hands, 2x Cabal Shadow Priest, 2x Doomsayer, 1x BGH, 1x Blood Knight, 1x Murloc Warleader, 1x Faceless Manipulator
Notable Missing Epics:
All Giants, Preparation, Shield Slam, Gorehowl, Brawl, Doomhammer, Ancient of Lore.

The rares I can craft in a pinch. The only notable one I'm missing is Gadgazan and Lightning Storm though.

Master KChief · « **Reply #369 on:** September 24, 2014, 03:30:38 AM »

Dat BlizzCon 2014 card back.

Drrek · « **Reply #370 on:** September 24, 2014, 11:34:40 AM »

Quote from: Westy on September 23, 2014, 11:01:37 PM

Currently built:
Zoo (although I need to find a replacement for Leeroy, who I may keep after all, but is disenchanted for the time being)
Control Paladin (various builds)
Control Priest
Deathrattle Priest
Frost Mage
Control Mage (I don't have giants though)
Backspace Rogue (which is pretty bad without Leeroy)

Right now I have about 30k dust (after disenchanting Leeroy), so I'm trying to decide the best way to spend it. Probably going to get a Bloodmage Thalnos and a Ragnaros, but I might go with Edwin Van Cleef and go for Malygos Rogue, which is really the only replacement for Leeroy right now, and truly isn't awful. I can also build just about any Hunter deck, but I'm not sure which form the next one will come in. Control Hunter seems like an odd concept, but perhaps you can midrange without Buzzard. Unlikely. I could probably craft the cards I need for Druid, which is 1 Force of Nature, 2 Ancient of Lores, and 1 Cenarius. I've been doing really well in the arena today, going 9, 6, 8, 6, and currently 3-1 so I'm hoping with some of the new found gold I can effectively fill out the missing slots for either Druid or Warrior.

tl;dr: My classes are Warlock (Zoo only), Hunter (still useful as a Handlock counter), Priest, Mage, and Paladin, with the option to finish one of the remaining three.

Current Legendaries:
Tirion, Grommash, Old Murk Eye, Cairne, Sylvanas, The Black Knight, Alexstraza, Deathwing, Malygos
And of course Naxx Legendaries.
Notable Epics:
1x Force of Nature, 1x Ancient of War, 2x Snake Trap, 2x Ice Block, 1x Pyroblast, 2x Sword of Justice, 2x Avenging Wrath, 2x Lay on Hands, 1x Cabal Shadow Priest, 2x Doomsayer, 1x BGH, 1x Blood Knight, 1x Murloc Warleader, 1x Faceless Manipulator
Notable Missing Epics:
All Giants, Preparation, Shield Slam, Gorehowl, Brawl, Doomhammer, Ancient of Lore.

The rares I can craft in a pinch.

I'll list the decks I can make at this time as well

Zoo (obviously)
Deathrattle Priest
Control Priest
Shaman (pretty much any version except Crusher)
Ramp or Token Druid (though I am missing Cenarius)
Pretty much any hunter deck
Control Paladin
Leeroyless Miracle (There have been people running this even without Malygos, because its so fast, I'm not good at miracle in any way though)
Handlock

Current Legendaries: Tirion Fordring, Edwin VanCleef, Lord Jaraxxus, Bloodmage Thalnos, Cairne Bloodhoof, Sylvanas Windrunner, The Black Knight, Baron Geddon, Naxx Legends

Current notable Epics: Force of Nature x2, Ancient of Lore x2, Ancient of War x2, Ice Block x2, Lay on Hands, Cabal Shadowpriest x2, Preparation x2, Doomhammer, Faceless Manipulator x2, All the Giants

So I should have reasonable decks for Warlock, Priest, Paladin, Shaman, Druid, Hunter and Rogue, and I guess I could make a mage deck in a pinch, though I have never actually played with one before (I have also listed them in the order I prefer to play them).

I have gold still left for arenas (because I've been going infinite in arena for the past couple of weeks now), so I'll work on getting my collection up a little more today.

Drrek · « **Reply #371 on:** September 24, 2014, 11:16:22 PM »

Hey, the guy who's running the team thing posted this today about scheduling.

"Determine a time that works for your team and offer a scheduled challenge using the website.. Other teams will be able to see the time you wish to play and decide if they want to accept. The match will start at the scheduled time.
Or, if there is a lot of activity or you just want to re-match, then offer an "Accept & Go" challenge. This challenge will be open for 30 minutes. The moment another team accepts, your game starts."

So as a team it seems we just need to find a time when the four of us can be online to schedule our matches.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #372 on:** September 25, 2014, 11:07:51 PM »

I got all excited because of Summoning Portal, and then I realized it was not less than 1.

browarod · « **Reply #373 on:** October 01, 2014, 02:05:45 PM »

October card back:

Best card back ever? Quite possibly.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #374 on:** October 22, 2014, 12:38:25 AM »

It was this kind of night for me

News:

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