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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #150 on: July 09, 2014, 09:07:26 PM »
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Hunters terrify me in Arena probably more than anything in the sense you always have to play around UtH by never over-committing to the board. Playing just one big minion on curve a turn has always worked for me against Hunters.
I thought I should be okay after the first UtH. Then he dropped the second one with a Scavenging Hyena. I was able to silence the Hyena, but then he had a Savannah Highmane. Not to mention 2 Chillwind Yeti's over the course of the game (one who I Peace-keepered Turn 5 or something).  Had I been able to get my Mind Control Tech, I might have been okay, but all my resources were already spent.

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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #151 on: July 10, 2014, 11:16:54 AM »
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Hearthstone card creator: http://achievementgen.com/hearthstone/

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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #152 on: July 11, 2014, 12:56:08 AM »
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I always pick Priest/Warlock because of those stats. It keeps things interesting, and I feel like it helps me develop in decision making for constructed play.

Craziest deck I've ever drafted for Arena - Druid with Swipe x7. It was absurd.
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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #153 on: July 11, 2014, 01:30:20 PM »
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Interesting choices for a Mage arena deck: Archmage Antonidas, Malygos, and Leeroy Jenkins after only drafting 5 cards.

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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #154 on: July 12, 2014, 12:06:18 AM »
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So can anybody explain why I went 11 wins in the arena and then the next time I only got 1 win? I even had a Tirion Fordring (although I didn't draw it in any of my 4 games).  Is there really that much variance in the Arena? Sure, my second draft wasn't as good as my first, but it certainly wasn't 1-3 awful. 

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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #155 on: July 12, 2014, 01:47:35 AM »
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Hearthstone admits that there is some luck involved in the Arena.
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« Reply #156 on: July 12, 2014, 06:35:06 PM »
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As it is with any CCG. I guess I just don't understand the question really, as there are a multitude of variables that could possibly affect performance. Were the majority of your cards good? How good was your mana curve? Did you misplay any games? Did you have bad hero matchups? Did you go on tilt after the first loss? Just plain bad luck? You could have great cards but your opponent just always has the perfect answer. It happens. I don't think any of these 'variances' can more or less be attributed to luck as it is with any other CCG in any other format. It just happens.
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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #157 on: July 12, 2014, 07:00:29 PM »
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Fair enough. I was still able to do 5 arena runs in the past 24 hours, so I'm really not complaining. Maybe I'll start documenting my drafts so at least I can improve in that regard.

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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #158 on: July 14, 2014, 10:13:22 AM »
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I can't seem to get past 3 wins anymore, lol. The last several arenas I've run I've gotten to 3 wins and then lost the rest of my games. I can't seem to get the option to play the really good heroes, mage or paladin, and while I've gotten druid the last 2 times, my last deck they offered me so many 3 drops that it looked more like a rogue aggro deck than a druid control deck. (I was gonna grab a screenshot but I forgot until after I clicked my key and they don't let you scroll in your deck after that)

I don't really know what I'm doing wrong. :(

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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #159 on: July 14, 2014, 10:30:29 PM »
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So with personal Arena experience and after watching a decent amount of streamers, the amount of wins does not have THAT much to do with the amount of rares/epics/legendaries.

Understanding the concept of value and the importance of curve is what wins games (especially in Arena). Which is why Dark Iron Dwarf is so good. The +2 attack can make a 3/2 "2-drop" take out a Yeti - and then you'd still have the 4/4 minion out as well. Those are the real priorities, so a lack of those will make winning nearly impossible if you try to trade card-for-card.
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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #160 on: July 14, 2014, 10:38:02 PM »
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So with personal Arena experience and after watching a decent amount of streamers, the amount of wins does not have THAT much to do with the amount of rares/epics/legendaries.

When you play arena a lot you come to find there are some truly terrible rares/epics/legendaries, and that you would often prefer to have some of the commons.
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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #161 on: July 14, 2014, 10:41:02 PM »
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I would take a Chillwind Yeti over a lot of the non-specific Epics.

The amount of times I've had the choice between the Murloc, Pirate, and Crab epics is unheard of.
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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #162 on: July 14, 2014, 11:44:11 PM »
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Those are the real priorities, so a lack of those will make winning nearly impossible if you try to trade card-for-card.

Most of the time it is still always correct to treat every minion on your opponents board as having Taunt, even if it sometimes trades 1 for 1. Minions are generally more dangerous if left on board, as many follow up plays create situations that can result in favorable trades. This is especially true when playing around common buff cards found in Arena (Shattered Sun, etc.) or against certain classes such as Priest or Paladin. You do not want to go face against Pally and leave minions on their board when Blessing of Kings is a thing.
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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #163 on: July 15, 2014, 12:26:10 AM »
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Right, but I meant it as blindly trading your one card for his one card without any consideration of value. Because once your opponent gets card advantage then you're stuck in "catch up" mode.

I wouldn't trade my 3/2 to take out his 2/1, because that's a ridiculous attack to make that the opponent would most likely make anyways. But you're definitely right for most situations. Board advantage = wins.
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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #164 on: July 15, 2014, 10:44:29 AM »
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Usually the only time I don't clear out as many of my opponent's minions as possible is if they have a low one that would die to my Taunter, or if I have lethal damage for their Hero (or if I want to see what their Secrets are).

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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #165 on: July 16, 2014, 12:04:15 AM »
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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #166 on: July 16, 2014, 08:02:15 PM »
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Pick 30, what are the odds. Also had the chance at a 5th Scarlet Crusader.



So...any predictions what this deck will go?
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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #167 on: July 16, 2014, 08:42:16 PM »
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7 wins.

I had a decent mage draft today and went 1-3. Pretty salty.

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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #168 on: July 16, 2014, 09:20:02 PM »
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My Arena before this I had a pretty below average Paladin deck. No weapons, no AoE, no spot removal. Just rode it to 8 wins in a row because of the exceptional curve it had. Like Lawful said, sometimes it's not always about card rarity/quality, but how to get the most value out of what you do have.

I think if I can get 8 wins with that I can do a bit better with a decent curve, great removal and a bunch of nutty minions. ;)
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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #169 on: July 16, 2014, 09:31:24 PM »
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My curve looked very much like your midrange curve.  *shrug*

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« Reply #170 on: July 16, 2014, 11:35:22 PM »
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8-3 with that deck. All 3 losses against Paladins rocking Equality. Both of the first losses were due to an Equality hitting a Sea Giant and super huge Frostwolf Warlord and trading favorably with his 1/1's. Last loss he dropped 5x Consecration on me and still barely won. Ridiculous.
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« Reply #171 on: July 17, 2014, 12:30:58 AM »
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Got my second 12 win run



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« Reply #172 on: July 17, 2014, 01:01:25 AM »
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That deck is ridiculous. I hate Paladins today.
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« Reply #174 on: July 17, 2014, 02:07:29 PM »
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At last! I'm so excited. I'm glad it's after family is visiting so that I don't have to miss hanging out with them to play the dickens out of this. :P

 


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