Author Topic: Good games on the wii (Read 59157 times)

The Schaef · « **Reply #225 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:06:15 PM »

You did not register an objection to the other games I mentioned that are not exclusives, which was most of them. Additionally, many of the games you have mentioned or given implied reference to, are not exclusive to any one console, and some are themselves available on the Wii platform. You also singled out non-exclusive titles to the exclusion of the fact that exclusive titles of sophistication and quality do in fact exist and can be had. You say that Guitar Hero doesn't make a system great by its mere existence, but neither does it erase the existence of Brawl by its mere existence.

To suddenly bring exclusivity into the discussion seems arbitrary and intended to undermine the system. It does not change the fact that I can go out to the store today, pick up a Wii, pick up any number of quality games of varying degrees of "sophistication" (another arbitrary attribute), many of which are the same games you enjoy on another console, and begin playing - and enjoying - immediately.

Put more simply, if we assume for the sake of argument that Guitar Hero is universally accepted as a sophisticated game, and I can play Guitar Hero on the Wii... why does it matter that I can play Guitar Hero on the X-Box? How does that alter the reality of Wii plus Guitar Hero equals play?

Master KChief · « **Reply #226 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:10:45 PM »

personally i dont consider guitar hero a sophisticated game by any means, despite its mass hysteria and sales. bemani was doing this almost 15 years ago. nothing new or groundbreaking here.

The Schaef · « **Reply #227 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:15:16 PM »

Okay, so let's just go with that, then, instead of reading the part about "if we assume for the sake of argument", because it's much more important to argue about the example than the point.

Master KChief · « **Reply #228 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:17:47 PM »

the example isnt very good. guitar hero is an outdated and old concept. i also dont see how you can call it a sophisticated game, when its probably one of the easiest games to pick up and learn. push 5 buttons and the fret seperately/in tandem. mind-bending.

The Schaef · « **Reply #229 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:19:06 PM »

Then just insert a multi-platform game of your choice, ANY GAME YOU WANT IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE, and just answer the question.

I did not "call it a sophisticated game". I "assumed for the sake of argument" that as "universally accepted". NO GAME is "universally accepted" as anything by anybody... that's why you assume for the sake of argument.

Master KChief · « **Reply #230 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:24:51 PM »

like i said, it wouldnt matter to me if its a sophisticated multi-platform game. if its multi-platform, and you have the choice to buy any of them, then you're going to go further than the software itself and buy the one for the best system. the 360 and ps3 offer worlds more than the wii, so naturally i would choose a multi-platform game on one of those two. the only reason i EVER play the wii is because of an exclusive, nothing else. and my wii has remained untouched and collecting dust since maybe a month or two after mario kart wii came out. hopefully metroid: other m brings it out of retirement.

The Schaef · « **Reply #231 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:31:47 PM »

That doesn't even come close to answering the question I asked of you, and the response you gave is based on a very bad premise - that people have choices from among multiple platforms - when in fact only 3% of households enjoy this luxury.

If I have a Wii, I do not "have a choice" to buy a Wii game or an X-Box game. Amazingly, I can only buy and play games for the console that I actually own. The entire point is that the fact that I can purchase these games on the Wii exists independently of whatever I can get on any other console. So I ask you for the fourth time: If I can get a Wii, and I can get X Most Awesome Game In The Universe Which Shall Not Be Named For Fear That Someone Else Might Not Think It's Awesome, and therefore I can play X on the Wii, why does the existence of X Game on a Playstation factor into that at all?

Master KChief · « **Reply #232 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:35:21 PM »

if you only have a wii, then thats unfortunate and all your purchases are based on personal bias. if you own all systems, then you are more likely to make an objective purchase, and choose which multi-platform game is better than the others.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #233 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:37:50 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on January 13, 2010, 12:35:21 PM

if you only have a wii, then thats unfortunate

I lol'd.

Master KChief · « **Reply #234 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:38:26 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on January 13, 2010, 12:37:50 PM

Quote from: Master KChief on January 13, 2010, 12:35:21 PM
if you only have a wii, then thats unfortunate

I lol'd.

browarod · « **Reply #235 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:38:43 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on January 13, 2010, 12:35:21 PM

if you only have a wii, then thats unfortunate and all your purchases are based on personal bias. if you own all systems, then you are more likely to make an objective purchase, and choose which multi-platform game is better than the others.

Or someone who has every system (like me) could just make a completely arbitrary decision to choose XBOX because of Gamerscore or Wii because they like motion controls or PS3 because the online is free. Simply having the option doesn't necessarily mean they'll resort to objective decision-making. I honestly don't really care which one "looks the best" or "offers worlds", I pick the platform that gives the best results for whatever the game specializes in: be it online gameplay, sweet motion controls, tricky controlling, w/e. Whichever system is the best for that particular aspect is the one I go with, and that's not always PS3 or XBOX. Truthfully, the only PS3 games I have are PS3 exclusives (and one none because I lost my 360 version of the game so I wanted to have the game but not buy another 360 version in case I ever found the original one).

Master KChief · « **Reply #236 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:40:55 PM »

Quote from: browarod on January 13, 2010, 12:38:43 PM

Quote from: Master KChief on January 13, 2010, 12:35:21 PM
if you only have a wii, then thats unfortunate and all your purchases are based on personal bias. if you own all systems, then you are more likely to make an objective purchase, and choose which multi-platform game is better than the others.
Or someone who has every system (like me) could just make a completely arbitrary decision to choose XBOX because of Gamerscore or Wii because they like motion controls or PS3 because the online is free. Simply having the option doesn't necessarily mean they'll resort to objective decision-making.

well please enlighten us, fellow consumer of the 2 percentile that owns all systems, which one would you buy guitar hero for? which one would you buy madden 2011 for? which one would you buy call of duty: 4 for?

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #237 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:43:24 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on January 13, 2010, 12:40:55 PM

well please enlighten us, fellow consumer of the 2 percentile that owns all systems, which one would you buy guitar hero for? which one would you buy madden 2011 for? which one would you buy call of duty: 4 for?

Im only missing the 360 now, but I have a PC to make up for it, I'll answer that.

I dont play ____Hero/band games, so none. I dont play sports games, so none. and Call of Duty 4 I would buy for PC, as thats the true system for FPS's.

The Schaef · « **Reply #238 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:47:44 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on January 13, 2010, 12:35:21 PM

if you only have a wii, then thats unfortunate and all your purchases are based on personal bias.

Your subjective and arbitrary opinions do not answer the question, as well as showing zero consideration for the thought processes and motivating factors of other people. Perhaps I gave you too much credit assuming you didn't really mean to say wii-owning persons were simple-minded.

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if you own all systems, then you are more likely to make an objective purchase.

This is a complete non-starter, as I have demonstrated to you that almost nobody owns all systems, and many (like myself) would consider investing over a thousand dollars into video game hardware just for the option of which platform to buy software to be impractical in the extreme, if not impossible. Additionally, ownership of multiple platforms has zero correlation to the fact that if you have a console - ANY ONE CONSOLE - and the game you want to play exists on that console - ANY ONE GAME - the existence of that game on other consoles has zero impact on your ability to play that game on that console.

If you can't bring yourself to answer a single basic question to increase understanding of the logic behind your statements, then continuing this line of discussion is just a waste of everyone's time.

browarod · « **Reply #239 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:48:25 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on January 13, 2010, 12:40:55 PM

Quote from: browarod on January 13, 2010, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: Master KChief on January 13, 2010, 12:35:21 PM
if you only have a wii, then thats unfortunate and all your purchases are based on personal bias. if you own all systems, then you are more likely to make an objective purchase, and choose which multi-platform game is better than the others.
Or someone who has every system (like me) could just make a completely arbitrary decision to choose XBOX because of Gamerscore or Wii because they like motion controls or PS3 because the online is free. Simply having the option doesn't necessarily mean they'll resort to objective decision-making.

well please enlighten us, fellow consumer of the 2 percentile that owns all systems, which one would you buy guitar hero for? which one would you buy madden 2011 for? which one would you buy call of duty: 4 for?

Truthfully, I wouldn't buy any of those. Rock Band covers any music game cravings I have (I have RB for XBOX because it was the only system I had when I bought the game), I don't watch or participate in sports in real life so I don't in video games either, and I honestly don't get a kick out of shooting people so I don't generally play FPS's either.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #240 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:49:46 PM »

Quote from: browarod on January 13, 2010, 12:48:25 PM

Truthfully, I wouldn't buy any of those. Rock Band covers any music game cravings I have (I have RB for XBOX because it was the only system I had when I bought the game), I don't watch or participate in sports in real life so I don't in video games either, and I honestly don't get a kick out of shooting people so I don't generally play FPS's either.

What type of games do you play on all three systems then? O_o

Master KChief · « **Reply #241 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:51:22 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on January 13, 2010, 12:43:24 PM

Quote from: Master KChief on January 13, 2010, 12:40:55 PM
well please enlighten us, fellow consumer of the 2 percentile that owns all systems, which one would you buy guitar hero for? which one would you buy madden 2011 for? which one would you buy call of duty: 4 for?

Im only missing the 360 now, but I have a PC to make up for it, I'll answer that.

I dont play ____Hero/band games, so none. I dont play sports games, so none. and Call of Duty 4 I would buy for PC, as thats the true system for FPS's.

the point is seeing what system you would buy it for. i dont like 2 out of those 3 games either, but if i would buy gh, it would be for either ps3 or 360, as there is no reason to buy it on the wii. if i bought madden 2011, it would be on ps3 or 360 because of graphics, and the online multiplayer is far better on those systems than on the wii. and cod4, well, thats a no-brainer...wii just cant handle it.

browarod · « **Reply #242 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:52:18 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on January 13, 2010, 12:49:46 PM

Quote from: browarod on January 13, 2010, 12:48:25 PM
Truthfully, I wouldn't buy any of those. Rock Band covers any music game cravings I have (I have RB for XBOX because it was the only system I had when I bought the game), I don't watch or participate in sports in real life so I don't in video games either, and I honestly don't get a kick out of shooting people so I don't generally play FPS's either.

What type of games do you play on all three systems then? O_o

I seem to have weird tastes. I like puzzle and "kid" games like the LEGO games, and stuff like the Marvel video games for XBOX. For my PS3 I have Eye of Judgment (a TCG game) and inFamous (another super hero game). And for my Wii I have the Mario games like Party and Kart and Galaxy.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #243 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:54:58 PM »

Lol, I think I have more games of just one genre than you have total. XD Unless thats not all the games you own.

Im curious how many of which genre I have for the PC... time to go count.

Master KChief · « **Reply #244 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:55:16 PM »

Quote from: browarod on January 13, 2010, 12:52:18 PM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on January 13, 2010, 12:49:46 PM
Quote from: browarod on January 13, 2010, 12:48:25 PM
Truthfully, I wouldn't buy any of those. Rock Band covers any music game cravings I have (I have RB for XBOX because it was the only system I had when I bought the game), I don't watch or participate in sports in real life so I don't in video games either, and I honestly don't get a kick out of shooting people so I don't generally play FPS's either.

What type of games do you play on all three systems then? O_o
I seem to have weird tastes. I like puzzle and "kid" games like the LEGO games, and stuff like the Marvel video games for XBOX. For my PS3 I have Eye of Judgment (a TCG game) and inFamous (another super hero game). And for my Wii I have the Mario games like Party and Kart and Galaxy.

do you have any other wii game that can be found on another system?

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on January 13, 2010, 12:54:58 PM

Lol, I think I have more games of just one genre than you have total. XD Unless thats not all the games you own.

Im curious how many of which genre I have for the PC... time to go count.

i think i read before that you said you had 17 fps'...my money's on fps!

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #245 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:56:53 PM »

Responding to the exclusivity argument, I would say that only applies to the people who own multiple consoles, if ever. If you're contemplating which single system to buy, the exclusivity of games makes absolutely no difference at all whatsoever, unless you're arrogant enough to value exclusive games higher simply because of their exclusivity. What does factor into the console choice, however, is the overall selection of games for each console. However, that is only one of many factors. For some, graphics is a factor. For some, the means of control is a factor. For some, shininess is a factor. You have to take all of that plus more into account, something which has been neglected for a while.

By the way, the title of this thread is no longer accurate.

EDIT: "Warning - while you were typing 9 new replies have been posted."

Master KChief · « **Reply #246 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:00:35 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on January 13, 2010, 12:56:53 PM

If you're contemplating which single system to buy, the exclusivity of games makes absolutely no difference at all whatsoever, unless you're arrogant enough to value exclusive games higher simply because of their exclusivity.

...what? why wouldn't exclusive games make a difference? thats probably the biggest deciding factor for individuals that buy a single system! seriously, if there are multi-platform games available to all consoles, and money is not a factor, then why would a person buy one over the other? what you mistake for arrogance is called preference.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #247 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:03:34 PM »

My game totals, only games currently installed on my computer (I have a ton of older games from like, windows 98 era):

FPS: 34 (though this is including the episodes of HL2) + 1

Racing: 4 (including Audiosurf, i dont know what else to put this under) +5

RPG: 5

Platformer/Puzzle: 4 + 10

Action: 3 + 5

RTS: 1 +3

The numbers would include a lot more racing, action, and puzzle games if I counted my older titles.

Overall, I still hold that PC is far and away the most versatile of the systems.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #248 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:05:21 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on January 13, 2010, 01:00:35 PM

Quote from: BubbleBoy on January 13, 2010, 12:56:53 PM
If you're contemplating which single system to buy, the exclusivity of games makes absolutely no difference at all whatsoever, unless you're arrogant enough to value exclusive games higher simply because of their exclusivity.

...what? why wouldn't exclusive games make a difference? thats probably the biggest deciding factor for individuals that buy a single system! seriously, if there are multi-platform games available to all consoles, and money is not a factor, then why would a person buy one over the other? what you mistake for arrogance is called preference.

Read the sentence right after that quote. That's the reason I put it there.

The Schaef · « **Reply #249 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:08:11 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on January 13, 2010, 01:00:35 PM

...what? why wouldn't exclusive games make a difference? thats probably the biggest deciding factor for individuals that buy a single system!

That's the biggest deciding factor for YOU if you buy a single system. Aside from the fact that you have negated this premise by purchasing multiple consoles, I repeat what I said earlier and BubbleBoy reiterated: there are many motivating factors in deciding which system to buy, and not everyone prioritizes in the same way that you do. And yes, to assume any reason not matching your own is strictly based on personal bias, is arrogance. You put in a qualifier of your own in your post, "if money is not a factor", and yet don't seem to show any consideration for the idea that for many people, money is in fact a factor, sometimes a substantial one.

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Author Topic: Good games on the wii (Read 59157 times)

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