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Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 12, 2010, 10:32:42 PM

Quote from: xCaLeBx on October 12, 2010, 10:21:29 PM

litle kids E games like mario and pokemon or games for psp that have more of a story line than two plumbers teamed up to save a princess

At least Pokemon has strategy. Better than an FPS. Also, FE>FPS.

and Batman>Consoles/PCs.
which means Batman must use a Mac. 

Only as a weapon.

Consuming Fire prevents your Mac. It must be a PC.

this is probably the first time in a long time i've seen exactly every single point of a statement riddled in ignorance. and this one has 5 of them. no worries, allow me to enlighten you!

• for starters, any (even casual) strategy rpg player will tell you the tactics on ds/gba in no way stacks up against the original ffa. not. even. close.
• have you played, or seen played, any of the tekkens or soul cali's on the psp? the amount of graphical power that such a small unit pushes out is simply BREATHTAKING. seriously, and with absolutely no bias whatsoever, they can easily go toe-to-toe with their console counterparts (oh, and btw, the wii has never seen a 'real' tekken or soul cali, just cheap knockoffs that look and play like crap).
• as for god of war, tell this to the people that have shelled out over $13.5 million through the franchise to it. not to mention the numerous exemplary reviews it has received from critics as well as the multitude of awards the series has won. while you may not like it, i assure you, you are in a minority.
• castlevania: i'll pretend you just didnt say that.
• comparing handhelds to consoles is like comparing apples to oranges. each system type caters towards a certain type of person. some people like cheaper. some like mobility. some like the simplicity and ease of reaching in their pockets and playing a quick game anywhere they go. your statement, while true, is pretty obvious. of course it doesnt compare to its console brothers because thats not what a handheld is marketed to do. thats like saying why have an ipod when you have an entertainment system at home?

Also, I owned a PSP for the better part of a year. Sure it's better visually than the DS, I'll give you that, but it's nothing compared to an X360 or PS3 on a 42" widescreen HDTV. THAT is breathtaking.

again, why are you even comparing the psp to a hdtv? is that a fair comparison? does the psp sport a hi-definition display with a 1,000,000 contrast ratio and a 600 mhz refresh rate? you dont even take into consideration what kind of hardware the psp/ds is and what its capabilities/expectations are. its for this very reason i dont believe you've played or seen either tekken or soul cali on the psp. yes, of course most games will look better in 1080p on a kick-butt hdtv. but this is not a performance expected of the psp, so that argument is null. however, in terms of graphics in comparison to its console brothers, it comes very close, especially when considering the hardware capabilities of the psp. namco has certainly raised the bar AND THEN SOME on what is aesthetically pleasing on the psp.

It's not ignorance to have opinions and preferences, especially when I've actually sampled most of what you claim I haven't.

it is ignorance when you're either a) trying to pass something off as fact but isnt or b) are just stating the obvious to be obvious. yes, its a fact the ds/gba has a tactics. are you trying to imply anything else here except that somehow it stands neck and neck with the original ffa, when in fact its a terribly, terribly, terribly watered down version of it? or, perhaps you havent played one (or either) version and thought they were the one and the same? or, just stating the obvious...? im unclear of your stance here.

i've already addressed your issue with handhelds in general, and its just simply a matter of you comparing them to the wrong mediums.

Seeing an argument like this, I'm inclined to ask....

That happens far too much around here...  It's extremely hard to not take the bait.

(Please avoid spoilers, I haven't played it yet)

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I never wanted to argue, I was just stating my opinion. It seems like other people enjoy trying to prove my opinions wrong and dragging me into arguments about them >_<.

im not trying to argue either, and i certainly didnt mean to slam you in any way by saying you were ignorant on some issues (ok, i said all, and i apologize for that). in truth, i suppose im just curious at the reasoning behind arriving at 'game X that is generally favored by the gaming populace is overrated', which pretty much threw me for a loop.

Main flaw: not really any reason to use it other than sheer portability (every one of the good games PSP has would be/are much better on console except for locoroco, and I assume we're ignoring that since you want to cast PSP as the srs gamer handheld).

not even true. ffa/castlevania chronicles (i would hope people picking this up are doing it for the original sotn, and not rondo of blood) are ports of the exact same game. patapon falls into the same camp as locoroco. katamari looks the same. the list goes on and on. as far as other games, yeah, it could be said they would look better on the ps3, but when comparing the gap of psp to ps3 and ds to wii, the psp minimizes its gap fairly quickly (in terms of an actual ratio, it might be somewhat the same, since the wii doesnt set such a high bar with its visuals anyway. ugh, non-hd...atrocious.)

DS=TONS of games, and quite a few really, really good games that make a lot of sense to be on a handheld, and would not really benefit from being on a console (which is better).

im curious on your reasoning behind this point. why would ds games not benefit from being on a system with better specs? the only argument i imagine you have here is touch functionality, which can easily be translated via the wii mote and chuck.

Ok, Castlevania. One exception doesn't change the overall statement a wee bit.

It's not that the DS games may not have better graphics (which matters zero when it comes to fun), but it's in opposition to the PSP, where they would be a lot better on a console (fighting games especially).

Also PSP blows ds out of the water in the control scheme in FPS and fighting.

If you don't believe me play psp's MGS: Peacewalker/Resistance: Retribution vs Ds's CoD: MWF2 and WaW


It's just a fail at the control scheme (although I am highly jealous ds is getting black ops and psp isn't.

do you like go or k series style?


I like go personally after having both.

i also prefer psp controls over ds, as they are much more tighter and responsive and also has the analog stick.

I personally prefer the stylus more than the PSP, and even the Wiimote. It's precise, responsive, and a lot cleaner than flailing around with the joystick or hoping the Wii sensor bar can pick up your precise movements (without picking up more than you want and going too far), lol. Again, I don't play shooters, so no commenting on those . For the games that I like to play, the stylus is what I like best.

Most of the games you named for PSP (which is just about it) are FPS or Fighting. FPS and Fighter games are better on console.

...im sorry, come again? i will provide you a clear and concise list of all the psp games i have named. please tell me which ones are fighting or fps:

• final fantasy tactics
• locoroco
• castlevania chronicles
• god of war: chains of olympus
• patapon
• tekken 6
• soul calibur: broken destiny
• metal gear solid
• me and my katamari

please show me if i've missed something. now, presuming 'most' = greater than 50%, can you show me how 'most' of my list is fps or fighter?

i also challenge you to show me how fighters are 'better' on a console. do you mean just based entirely on graphics? because a d-pad plus buttons is pretty much the exact same thing.

The top games on DS are not FPS or Shooter games, so they play pretty much the same on handheld or console (sometimes better, stylus is way faster for selecting stuff than any controller, WiiMote or otherwise).

top  10 DS games in terms of total sales:

1. nintendogs // mostly utilize touch controls: yes // play or look better on a console: yes
2. new super mario bros // no // yes
3. brain age // yes // no
4. mario kart ds // no // yes
5. pokemon diamond/pearl // no // yes
6. brain age 2 // yes // no
7. animal crossing: wild world // yes // yes
8. pokemon heart gold/soul silver // no // yes
9. super mario 64 ds // no // yes
10. pokemon platinum // no // yes

of the top 10, only 4 utilizes full touch controls (of which 2 would probably be more accurate and precise using the wiimote or a regular controller). only 2 would not play or look better on a console. and only 2 met both qualifiers. so no, the top games of ds would not play or look the same on both platforms.

Also, your post pretty much confirms what I was saying about the PSP: a lot of its best games are just (understandably) inferior versions of the console games, therefore, all they have going for them is mobility.

its funny you say this, because the exact same thing has been proven of the ds. and in the above list of psp games i have provided, i can see your statement holding water in only 4 cases. the others are either exact ports or games that would have no gained playability or graphical advantage on the ps3.