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Convert decks have long been played. Usually being good gold on offense with Ambush the City's and maxing out Three Nails. I LOVE these type of decks. Now with the newer/new cards, Lazarus, Convincing Miracle, Meeting the Messiah, I am surprised that I have not seen a really solid convert deck. So I have been toying around with a kind of recur itself deck, Convincing Miracle/Lazarus with Ambush the City/Battle Prayer. It is nasty but it wasn't enough. So I switched it up. Here is my latest take on what I think is a standard convert deck, that has options.

SWJ x3
The Master's Table x3
CoF x1

The Thankful Leper x1
The Woman at the Well x1
Good Samaritan x2
Lazarus x3

Anna x2
Simeon x2
John the Baptist x2

Preaching the Truth x1
Faith as a Mustard Seed x1
Ambush the City x3
Convincing Miracle x3

Behold the Lamb x2
Baptism of Jesus x3
New Priestly Duty x3

Plenty of room to work with. That's only 30 cards, so any dominants, I Am Healing or The New Covenant can be added. This deck also can get around demons, which is what my previous deck lacked, so that is also a plus. Main strategy is SWJ of course, attack, Ambush the City, and convert the Ambushed EC and drop another Ambush if needed. End the Ambush with Lazarus. Then you come at them again same turn with another Convincing Miracle and get back Lazarus with it. Only thing it needs is Battle Prayer's/Highways, but I am not sure what to switch for them. Straight gold on this can fit all that easy, but I love the N.T. prophets with this. John the Baptist/Lazarus makes for consistent converts, while Convincing Miracle makes for constant hero's. Solid strategy and the green just helps with demons so much more than gold can offer. Input?

The thing to remember is that the converts are in battle, not territory.

And the highways in my opinion are worth the card slot.

I cant remember...when you play Ambush the City do the characters go to the set aside area? aka OOP?

I thought the final ruling was that the battle gets "set aside", but it is not OOP.

I thought the final ruling was that the battle gets "set aside", but it is not OOP.

The reason why I ask is because I was playing someone the other night and they moved thier cards to the set-aside area when they olayed the card.

I feel like you have betrayed meeting the messiah.

Nope I just traded them all away.

And as for Ambush the City that was always a sketchy ruling. Ambush the City sets the battle aside, but it is not a set aside card. I thought the cards would still be in play since it is not a set aside card. I'd like to ask this one again on the rulings for verification.

This question came up plenty of times and it had a weird ruling. I will post the question tonight. I would think that your answer is correct, but I remember this being asked a while back, and the ruling was different.

Hey,

The resumption of the original battle as per Ambush the City is a triggered effect.  Grapes of Wrath played in the 2nd battle causes the trigger to be tripped, but the triggered effect has to wait until the currently resolving abilities are resolved before it can kick in.  The currently resolving abilities are the ones on Grapes, which includes the battle caused by Grapes.  So the battle caused by Grapes happens and after that battle the original battle concludes.

"A new Rescue Attempt means a new phase" in the case of Grapes of Wrath and The Long Day creates consecutive battle phases, in the case of Ambush the City it creates concurrent (or nested or overlapping) battle phases.  I don't like the idea of two phases happening at the same time, thus I have always been against this rule but it is the status quo.

This means any ongoing effect from the original battle applies to the new battle (because the original battle phase hasn't ended yet), but ongoing effects in the new battle will not generally affect the original battle (because they end when the new battle phase ends which is just before the original battle resumes).  So if Ambush the City is played on Moses, both the original battle and the new battle are by-the-numbers, but if Ambush the City is played on someone else and Moses starts the new battle, the new battle is by-the-numbers but the original battle is not.

Ambush the City does (according to the status quo) move the cards from the original battle to the set-aside area.  If a card cannot be set aside it would remain in the Field of Battle and wait for the other cards to return.  Of course this creates an issue with the "no character can enter battle twice in one turn" rule.  When the characters from the original battle are set aside they leave the Field of battle, to resume the battle they would have to enter the battle a second time...which they are not allowed to do.

I have been trying to get Ambush the City, The Long Day, and Grapes of Wrath categorized as Side Battle cards in the new REG, which I believe would eliminate a lot of the sticky situations that these cards create, but I haven't had much luck winning the other PTB over to my side...yet

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Yea- with the Watcher.

Watcher (Pa)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Silver • Ability: 4 / 7 • Class: None • Special Ability: If an Evil Character was or is currently set-aside, shuffle that Evil Character back into Owner's draw pile. Discard the set-aside card. • Play As: If an Evil Character was or is currently set-aside, shuffle [return] that Evil Character into owner's deck. • Identifiers: Generic OT Male Angel, Prophet • Verse: Daniel 4:23 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Uncommon)