Author Topic: T2 Genesis/Assyrians (Read 9832 times)

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #25 on:** February 19, 2011, 09:27:40 PM »

Yeah, you're right...I guess I was thinking Answer to Prayer was only enhancements while Numerous was characters, but if Answer can do characters as well, then the only real upside to Numerous is that it's reusable. However, if it's not even as good a card, then I guess I don't want to use it again anyway. Soon to be edited...

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #26 on:** February 19, 2011, 09:30:56 PM »

Asher can always recur it. Numerous is sometimes better for Ira, but seeing as you have all Genesis...

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #27 on:** February 19, 2011, 09:45:25 PM »

Zebulun seems like he should be in here too. Probably another Captain also. Maybe even I am Holy.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #28 on:** February 19, 2011, 10:34:04 PM »

I would also take out both CoN and put in Abes descendents 2x, you need more weapon killers. I am grace is also something to consider.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #29 on:** February 19, 2011, 11:59:58 PM »

After realizing what a few cards did that I didn't realize they did before, I updated this deck pretty significantly. A good lookover from a fresh perspective would be much appreciated. (*Ahem* Gabe...)

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #30 on:** February 20, 2011, 08:11:31 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 19, 2011, 11:37:06 AM

Unfortunately for you though, all my heroes are in Goshen and are protected from effect, while half of your heroes have already been discarded. You'll be the laughingstock of the young people.

Unfortunately for you, SWS interrupts Goshen's SA, making your heroes eminently killable when the Archers decide to sacrifice themselves.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #31 on:** February 20, 2011, 08:31:05 AM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on February 20, 2011, 08:11:31 AM

Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 19, 2011, 11:37:06 AM
Unfortunately for you though, all my heroes are in Goshen and are protected from effect, while half of your heroes have already been discarded. You'll be the laughingstock of the young people.
Unfortunately for you, SWS interrupts Goshen's SA, making your heroes eminently killable when the Archers decide to sacrifice themselves.

Unfortunately for you, I will RA with Eve, who ignores female ECs, making you unable to band to me in the first place.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #32 on:** February 20, 2011, 10:30:48 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 20, 2011, 08:31:05 AM

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on February 20, 2011, 08:11:31 AM
Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 19, 2011, 11:37:06 AM
Unfortunately for you though, all my heroes are in Goshen and are protected from effect, while half of your heroes have already been discarded. You'll be the laughingstock of the young people.
Unfortunately for you, SWS interrupts Goshen's SA, making your heroes eminently killable when the Archers decide to sacrifice themselves.
Unfortunately for you, I will RA with Eve, who ignores female ECs, making you unable to band to me in the first place.

Unfortunately for you, I have Golgotha up so I load a crimson card and proceed to decimate both your offense and defense.
Oh, that's right with only Levi x 2 and a single Journey to Egypt, you won't have access to any of my lost souls--so you will never be able to make an RA anyway.

Seriously though, banding-based play-first defenses should be wary if SWS is out.

Now on to specifics about the deck (all of these are IMO, of course):

While Hobbits' concerns about there being so many ways to discard weapons is legitimate there are only so many things you can worry about. (In the same vein, it is worth noting that a stray Salome is going to cause your defense major issues.) The ITB enhancements help counter this somewhat.

You also need to think about adding more site access. Jacob's Dream would be a nice choice and would fit into your theme beautifully. I am afraid the only thing you can afford to swap out for it is Cup of Wrath, however, and I know you would strongly prefer to keep that. The remainder of your enhancements are either battle winners (OoN/RTC) or must-haves (Jacob Buries...), and you are running rather lean on neutrals.

Adding a couple of Golgotha would make your Abraham's Descendents so much (like 10x) better.

Even with two exchangers, you may want to reconsider the NT only LS. You have absolutely no way to rescue them, so they may end up helping your opponents more than they help you.

*edit - sorry, tried to reply and modified your post instead.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #33 on:** February 20, 2011, 04:55:08 PM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on February 20, 2011, 10:30:48 AM

While Hobbits' concerns about there being so many ways to discard weapons is legitimate there are only so many things you can worry about. (In the same vein, it is worth noting that a stray Salome is going to cause your defense major issues.) The ITB enhancements help counter this somewhat.

Maybe 4 2KH is enough?

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You also need to think about adding more site access. Jacob's Dream would be a nice choice and would fit into your theme beautifully. I am afraid the only thing you can afford to swap out for it is Cup of Wrath, however, and I know you would strongly prefer to keep that. The remainder of your enhancements are either battle winners (OoN/RTC) or must-haves (Jacob Buries...), and you are running rather lean on neutrals.

I didn't put Jacob's Dream in because I figured any respectable site deck would have CP in it. I also don't want to use many Jouneys, because they are useless unless I'm up against sites. However, Levi is kind of nice even without site - for banding and for territory destruction - so I would be willing to add one more of him.

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Adding a couple of Golgotha would make your Abraham's Descendents so much (like 10x) better.

AD's are now my only good negating cards (besides Servant) so I think I want to use them for that purpose. If Golgotha helped my defense also...

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Even with two exchangers, you may want to reconsider the NT only LS. You have absolutely no way to rescue them, so they may end up helping your opponents more than they help you.

What would I replace them with?

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #34 on:** February 20, 2011, 05:43:52 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 20, 2011, 04:55:08 PM

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You also need to think about adding more site access.
I didn't put Jacob's Dream in because I figured any respectable site deck would have CP in it.

CP would only protect the NT sites, but you are right about pure site decks probably being tailored around it. I am not worried about them so much as I am with people who splash in sites defensively--Nazareth, Golgotha, Kir, etc. Maybe it's not that big of a concern (or maybe absolutely everybody has CP even in this case)--once again you can't prepare for everything.

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Adding a couple of Golgotha would make your Abraham's Descendents so much (like 10x) better.
AD's are now my only good negating cards (besides Servant) so I think I want to use them for that purpose. If Golgotha helped my defense also...

Other than allowing you to recur evil enhancements, you mean? There is also the (possibly slight) problem that the deck has little to counter pre-block ignore, which Golgotha would help somewhat.

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What would I replace them with?

I would replace the NT only for the Anti-Ignore (or if you decided to add Golgotha the Site Searcher), You might also want to get rid of the Three-liners. My experience with either of the Souls cards in T2 is that they just concentrate LS for my opponents what with rescuers choice and all. It seems every time I really need to ditch a half-rescued souls in T2, I never get the card I need to shuffle or discard it.

All in all I think it's a very good deck; which is why I am only tinkering at the edges.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #35 on:** February 20, 2011, 07:04:06 PM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on February 20, 2011, 05:43:52 PM

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AD's are now my only good negating cards (besides Servant) so I think I want to use them for that purpose. If Golgotha helped my defense also...
Other than allowing you to recur evil enhancements, you mean? There is also the (possibly slight) problem that the deck has little to counter pre-block ignore, which Golgotha would help somewhat.

The only way it would help at all is if I had NT ECs in there, and that would mean an enormous reconstruction of my defense. As is, having it would only replace EE negation with EE recursion, and I think I'd rather just have the former and then more space in my deck.

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What would I replace them with?
I would replace the NT only for the Anti-Ignore (or if you decided to add Golgotha the Site Searcher), You might also want to get rid of the Three-liners. My experience with either of the Souls cards in T2 is that they just concentrate LS for my opponents what with rescuers choice and all. It seems every time I really need to ditch a half-rescued souls in T2, I never get the card I need to shuffle or discard it.

I did have a really bad game the other day against Gabe's nats-winning deck in which the same Zebulun rescued 7 souls and I only blocked once or twice the whole game. That's when I added the Jehoiakins and increased my DoU count. However, I think the anti-ignore LS would be a really bad idea if I ever want to use my own RTCs or Zebuluns, and I think I do. However, I might really need some way to at least stop SOME pre-block ignore, and since so many defs use Golgotha and stuff anyway, I'm thinking maybe it would actually be better to throw out my ignore stuff and put in those LS's...I dunno though, cuz the anti ignore souls pretty much only help against Genesis guys, who are not popular...so maybe things are good the way they are...?

I also am more and more starting to like the looks of this deck. I think only with extensive playtesting can I really tell what kind of fine-tuning I need to do to make it fit my playstyle and win some games.

Thanks so much for you input so far, Matt!

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #36 on:** February 24, 2011, 05:12:57 PM »

Deck updated.

Gabe · « **Reply #37 on:** February 24, 2011, 05:35:40 PM »

Your deck has come along nicely over the past couple weeks. There aren't a lot of changes I'd make anymore, only a few.

I'd swap a Judah for one of the 3 Ben. He's helpful when one of your guys gets captured.

You're pretty heavy on the enhancements, both good and evil. Fourteen to sixteen is pretty normal.

I'd consider cutting a couple good enhancements to add Storehouse and a neutral card.

I'd consider cutting a few evil enhancements to add a a couple curses and a neutral card. I'd also use 5 of each for Horses and Forgotten History.

For evil, you might want to take out one of your three King Jehoiakin and one King Sargon II to add Prince of this World and King Tiglath Pileser III. Then for the Curses I mentioned above, you could add two Unknown Nation. Besides allowing you to block twice, if you get it early you can grab King Sargon II to search for Assyrian Camp. With that you could afford to go down to just 1, making room for a Kingdoms of this World.

In the neutral cards you might want to add Priestly Crown for site access, Chariot to get back your important Heroes and Lampstand because it's so good.

If you add Unknown Nation as I recommended above you could get away with using the Anti-Ignore Lost Soul. When it's needed you could keep just one brigade in territory. When you want to "turn it off" you could activate a non-pale green curse.

Hope there's some helpful tidbits there for you. I look forward to playing with you this weekend!

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #38 on:** February 24, 2011, 07:19:23 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on February 24, 2011, 05:35:40 PM

I look forward to playing with you this weekend!

In the same sense that a cat enjoys playing with a mouse!

Gabe · « **Reply #39 on:** February 24, 2011, 08:00:09 PM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on February 24, 2011, 07:19:23 PM

In the same sense that a cat enjoys playing with a mouse!

You're next old friend.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #40 on:** February 24, 2011, 11:07:13 PM »

So, taking as much of Gabe's advice as I can, I come up with the following list:

Out:
Benjamin
Abraham’s Servant to Ur
Reuben’s Torn Clothes
King Jehoiakin
King Sargon II
The Rabshakeh
Achan’s Sin
Death of Unrighteous
FBTN LS x2

In:
Judah
Storehouse
King Tiglath Pileser III
Prince of this World
Unknown Nation x2
Chariot of Fire
Lampstand of the Sanctuary
Anti-Ignore LS x2

Does that look good?

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #41 on:** February 25, 2011, 12:31:05 AM »

Nazzy stops UN! and Abe's Kid takes your 2kHorsies- bet you will see that alot this weekend, man you guys better get me some tourney reports.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #42 on:** February 25, 2011, 12:36:13 AM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on February 25, 2011, 12:31:05 AM

Nazzy stops UN! and Abe's Kid takes your 2kHorsies- bet you will see that alot this weekend, man you guys better get me some tourney reports.

Sorry... What happens in Minnesota, stays in Minnesota.

Quote from: Gabe on February 24, 2011, 08:00:09 PM

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on February 24, 2011, 07:19:23 PM
In the same sense that a cat enjoys playing with a mouse!

You're next old friend.

I was thinking precisely the same thing when I posted. This year I am hoping to rescue a lost soul against you.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #43 on:** February 25, 2011, 12:39:32 AM »

And hopefully that lost soul will be Que.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #44 on:** February 25, 2011, 12:40:26 AM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on February 25, 2011, 12:36:13 AM

Quote from: RTSmaniac on February 25, 2011, 12:31:05 AM
Nazzy stops UN! and Abe's Kid takes your 2kHorsies- bet you will see that alot this weekend, man you guys better get me some tourney reports.
Sorry... What happens in Minnesota, stays in Minnesota.

Hey, Im not kidding! I cant go so i better see some kind of action. 6 rounds of type 2- what, 36 people or so...

Gabe · « **Reply #45 on:** February 25, 2011, 12:56:01 AM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on February 25, 2011, 12:40:26 AM

Hey, Im not kidding! I cant go so i better see some kind of action. 6 rounds of type 2- what, 36 people or so...

I heard Red plans to provide coverage.

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on February 25, 2011, 12:36:13 AM

I was thinking precisely the same thing when I posted. This year I am hoping to rescue a lost soul against you.

I don't know anyone who gets worse draws against me than you do in 2P. I hope your luck changes and we have an epic game that goes down to the wire... and then I win.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #46 on:** February 25, 2011, 12:58:06 AM »

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I heard Red plans to provide coverage

I would much rather here it from someone who was there- another reason i will miss RDT not being there. He writes great tourney reports.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #47 on:** February 25, 2011, 07:48:34 AM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on February 25, 2011, 12:31:05 AM

Nazzy stops UN! and Abe's Kid takes your 2kHorsies- bet you will see that alot this weekend, man you guys better get me some tourney reports.

Yeah, that's why I didn't put UN in before, and also why I was leaning more towards Jehoiakin than horses.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #48 on:** February 25, 2011, 08:51:29 AM »

I can give a tournament report if by tournament report you mean pictures of whales I drew in MS paint.

Red · « **Reply #49 on:** February 25, 2011, 09:04:12 AM »

Quote from: Gabe on February 25, 2011, 12:56:01 AM

Quote from: RTSmaniac on February 25, 2011, 12:40:26 AM
Hey, Im not kidding! I cant go so i better see some kind of action. 6 rounds of type 2- what, 36 people or so...

I heard Red plans to provide coverage.

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on February 25, 2011, 12:36:13 AM
I was thinking precisely the same thing when I posted. This year I am hoping to rescue a lost soul against you.

I don't know anyone who gets worse draws against me than you do in 2P. I hope your luck changes and we have an epic game that goes down to the wire... and then I win.

I'd provide coverage but I don't have a major contact. If someone PMs me updates I can, but don't expect many before 12:00 or so.

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Author Topic: T2 Genesis/Assyrians (Read 9832 times)

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