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Forts/Curses 3

Tower of Thebez x2
Captured Ark

Evil Characters 16

Sisera
Jezebel x2
Abimelech x2
Shechem x2
Lot's Wife x2
The Woman of Thebez x3
Gibeonite Delegates x4

Evil Enhancements 14

Fortify Site x2
Pride of Simon x2
Babel x2
Stone of Thebez x4
Gibeonite Trickery x4

I would also consider putting in another Sisera and a couple Joseph in Prisons to help against banding chains. Any idea what offense you will be using?

I'm also a fan of Darkness, Goliath and Uzzah. I'm not sure what I'd cut for them, but I'd try to get them in.

Just remember that Tower won't help you as much if you have Goliath out there, as he is not Canaanite.

On Shechem, he can be very useful.  Consider adding Canaan and/or Gibeonite Curse to add some captured characters to your LoB, then ship them over (also, if you used Canaan you can put their hero in their own LoB eventually, preventing them from putting that hero down again).

In addition, don't forget the usefulness of Shechem verses an annoying Garden/anything deck

To be honest, if you remove anything, I would remove a Jezebel.  Sure, she can remove green prophets from the game, but she's bigger and grants initiative for the many interrupts those decks will be playing, even if they aren't running Caves.

You mean the complete uselessness? Shechem isn't CBI, and any Garden deck worth its salt will have at least 2 'He is Risen' 's in there.

You don't need to capture one in battle.  I have before, with no battle-winners in hand, blocked a band of women or disciples (ESPECIALLY when they send disciples) to capture women left in territory then promptly die without passing initiative.  They can only ITB to stop it if it defeats a character in the battle, so they have to actually negate him to stop it.

That of course only discusses the capture portion of the ability, and he has a lot more value in rescuer's choice if you use sites (especially Canaan and Hormah, both Canaanite and targeted by Fortify Site).

You should have 2x Gib curse. I would take out Gib delgates and Captured Ark (depending on what you use for offense). I agree with the others that JiP is a good add and would suggest asherah pole too.

Here's the complete deck with a couple Changes.

Out With,

Abimelech x2
Babel x2

In With,

Raiders Camp
King of Tyrus
Joseph in Prison x2


Cards in deck 100

Good 38

Doms 5

Grapes of Wrath
Guardian of Your Souls
Son of God
New Jerusalem
Angel of the Lord

Forts/Covs 4

The Throne of David x3
I Am Grace

Heroes 16

King David
Abigail x2
Mephibosheth
King Solomon
King Lemuel
King's Daughter
King Asa
Esther
King Hezekiah
King Hiram x2
King Amaziah x2
Ahimelek the Hittite x2

Good Enhancements 13

Counsel of Abigail x2
Peace Treaty x2
Royal Parade x2
Unified Kingdom x3
Valley of Salt x4

Neutral 24

Sites 5

Promised Land
Dragon Raid x2
Canaan x2

Arts 5

Chariot of Fire
The Bronze Laver
Darius' Decree
Hezekiah's Signet Ring x2

Lost Souls 14

Site Guard
FBTN Lost Soul
Shut Door x2
Far Country x2
First Round Protect x2
Female Only x2
N.T. Only x2
Exchanger x2

Evil 38

Doms 5

Mayhem
Destruction on Nehushtan
Christian Martyr
Burial
Falling Away

Forts/Curses 4

Tower of Thebez x2
Raiders Camp
Captured Ark

Evil Characters 15

King of Tyrus
Sisera
Jezebel x2
Shechem x2
Lot's Wife x2
The Woman of Thebez x3
Gibeonite Delegates x4

Evil Enhancements 14

Fortify Site x2
Pride of Simon x2
Joseph in Prison x2
Stone of Thebez x4
Gibeonite Trickery x4

Blocking with KoT is basically handing a soul to most offenses in T2 especially Judges the most common offense.  I'd cut ark and raiders camp for 2x Gib curse.  Not a fan of Shechum at all,  I'd cut the Shechums for Lot's Daughters.

Blocking with KoT is basically handing a soul to most offenses in T2 especially Judges the most common offense.  I'd cut ark and raiders camp for 2x Gib curse.  Not a fan of Shechum at all,  I'd cut the Shechums for Lot's Daughters.

I agree that he's basically handing a soul to most offences. However, He's better than not blocking at all - He's disruptive to the non-Gold/Red offences, messes with Banding, and is still among the best first turn blockers.

Quote from: MitchRobStew on February 29, 2012, 11:30:35 AM

Not a fan of Shechum at all,  I'd cut the Shechums for Lot's Daughters.

As I posted before, Shechum is incredibly useful when utilized properly.  He has helped me win in T2 in my experience

As for Lot's Daughters, if you're going for initiative in the first battle, you're better off with Delegates with no strength.  If you're going for the fact that they can get big, all you'll end up doing is passing initiative every battle very quickly and stopping yourself from playing 2 CBN battle winners (Stone and Trickery) since they do not interrupt.

None of us are arguing that he's useful when utilized properly - We're simply stating that he's not being used properly in the deck as its built right now.

I will personally vouch for the effectivness of Redoubters Canaanites defense, Our T2 Meta is still struggling to bring it down.

Wut....

Canaanites should get destroyed by quite a few offences, I'm surprised its done so well.

ASAs being so common is Canaanites biggest weakness.  Territory is just so wide open when playing Assyrians as you cannot load up tower for protection.  The biggest plus w/ Canaanites is great inish, and two solid CBN winners.  I think its a top 2-3 defense.   No defense is going to be amazing this year.  No defense is going to be on par with what Pharisees and Creepers were last year.  No defense this year can have to speed of Pharisees with CwD, and the ls generation/CwD ended Creepers (both good things).  Add in the fact that ASA easily crushes a lot of the main tech of certain high powered offenses, and sets up Charms/Writs very nicely.  Offenses are much more diverse, and have more speed than last year.  More than 2 offenses probably have a good shot this season (again a very good thing).  Heck the second and third best offenses from last season are weak compared to the top stuff this season (good thing).    Funny thing is Assyrians/magicians were already the third best t2 defense last year and they got the biggest boost out of anything while the top two took some big hits.  Adding two great characters to an already solid defense pushed PG to the top.  But, I guess we'll see what happens at the T2 Only.  That will set the stage for the rest of the season.