Author Topic: Genesis and Demons: UPDATE... Help me downsize (Read 8357 times)

DaClock · « **on:** February 04, 2009, 01:03:52 AM »

31/44/44
N/G/E

Lost Souls: 16 (18)
Punisher x2
Can't Be Prevented x2
Demon Discard x2
Same Reference x2
Shame x2
NT x2
Female x2
Revealer x2
Hopper x2

Sites: 2
Dragon Raid x2

Artifacts: 11
Household Idols x2
The Bronze Laver x3
Stone Pillar at Bethel x3
Asherah Pole x3

Good Doms: 4
Sog
NJ
AOTL
GOYS

Good Forts: 1
Wall of Protection

Heroes: 19
Benjamin x3
Jacob x4
Levi x2
Simeon x2
Sarah
Rebekah
Asher x2
Captain of the Host x2
Angel at Shur x2

Covenants: 2
I Am Holy x2

Enhancements: 18
Helmet of Brass x2
Abraham's Servant to Ur x3
Jacob Buries the Foreign Idols x2
Journey to Egypt x2
Reuben's Torn Clothes x5
Obedience of Noah x2
Pleading for the City x2

Evil Dominants: 4
Burial
CM
DON
FA

Evil Forts: 3
The Pit
Kingdoms of the World
The Darkness

Evil Characters: 21
Admiral
Uzzah x2
Seven sons of Sceva x2
Evil Spawn x5
Prince of this World x2
King of Tyrus x2
Fallen Angel x2
Demon Behind the Idol x2
Seven Wicked Spirits x3

Curses: 3
Captured Ark x3

Enhancements: 13
Sinning Hand x5
Worshipping Demons x5
Pride Before Calamity x3

For all of you that are just joining, or viewing for a second/third time, I updated the deck. It's larger than I would like, I would prefer it to be 100-105 cards. I would like to hear your suggestions as to what I should cut and why.

Things to think about.
-Three Nails owns my defense, I now have 3x Captured Ark + The Pit + DoN + Seven Sons of Sceva x2 to combat it. That should be more than enough, right?
-Uzzah is an easy instant-block and I have a bunch of copies of the same artifacts. I wouldn't mind having more of him.
-Strong Angel is strong early-game, but doesn't really help my offense otherwise. Is he better than Angel at Shur?
-I only have one copy of Wall of Protection. I don't want people using my own Jacob + Captain, should I add another?
-If I don't add another Wall, what could I add to search for it within the Genesis/Demons theme?

The Guardian · « **Reply #1 on:** February 04, 2009, 03:07:03 AM »

Just a few notes...

*I think you can cut Journey to Egypt x1.

*I am Holy/Asher makes a really good combo.

*Pride before Calamity is definitely worth having in there when you are using Asherah Pole and your enhancements CBN.

Might post more later, I'll see what others say.

777Godspeed · « **Reply #2 on:** February 04, 2009, 09:54:53 AM »

I see where this would tilt your G/E card count, but would CoM be more useful to you than Gold Calf? CoM will affect any of their Heroes while Gold Calf will definately affect your Heroes and possibly you opponents (if they are using OT Heroes). If you card count is correct, it looks like 27/38/38 = 103 you could add Rebekah x2 to give Simeon a better chance and offset CoM x2. That would look like 25/40/40 = 105.
or a Rebekah x1 and OoN x1.

Godspeed,
Mike

Lawfuldog · « **Reply #3 on:** February 04, 2009, 10:38:48 AM »

Quote from: 777Godspeed on February 04, 2009, 09:54:53 AM

I see where this would tilt your G/E card count, but would CoM be more useful to you than Gold Calf? CoM will affect any of their Heroes while Gold Calf will definately affect your Heroes and possibly you opponents (if they are using OT Heroes). If you card count is correct, it looks like 27/38/38 = 103 you could add Rebekah x2 to give Simeon a better chance and offset CoM x2. That would look like 25/40/40 = 105.
or a Rebekah x1 and OoN x1.

Godspeed,
Mike

Golden Calf is an Idol, so it works with Evil Spawn and Worshipping Demons. That's why he's using it instead of CoM.

I don't see Helmet of Brass x2, Spiritual Realm, or Tartaros being very important. You could add in I AM Holy x2, and either Corrupted x2 or Pride before Calamity x2.

Just my thoughts, not really sure if that would help or not though.

DaClock · « **Reply #4 on:** February 04, 2009, 03:51:58 PM »

I like Spiritual Realm because it makes it so my demon's can't be captured. Tartaros may not be necessary, willing to take it out.

I like the idea of Pride Before Calamity but I'm not sure what I should take out to put in for it. I also like the idea of I Am Holy + Asher. However, I'll have to be careful because if they aren't using a multi-color defense then it could be hard to get the enhancements back that I discard.

I forgot to add the 2 Hopper LS to the neutral cards so it should be 29/38/38.

DaClock · « **Reply #5 on:** February 05, 2009, 08:21:13 PM »

I thought I'd double post to point out the ridiculousness of this thread. It has been viewed 85 times (when I last checked) but only posted on 4 times. Do the rest of you really have 0 comments? I don't care if you don't play T2, don't like the deck, whatever. I would just like some comments to make the deck better.

Thanks, I love you, peace out.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #6 on:** February 05, 2009, 08:25:47 PM »

The rest of us just wanted to see what the Mighty Ben was using in his deck so that we could copy it. I'll be using this deck at my next Local.

DaClock · « **Reply #7 on:** February 05, 2009, 08:44:30 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on February 05, 2009, 08:25:47 PM

The rest of us just wanted to see what the Mighty Ben was using in his deck so that we could copy it. I'll be using this deck at my next Local.

Mighty Ben... haha, good one. I would love for people to use the deck, let me know how it works out. I have a feeling however that most people don't have access to all of the cards for it right away. I wouldn't want anyone to think that just because I made this deck it'll be great though. I'm not a master strategist like others that frequent these forums. This definitely isn't a "kill your opponent so they can't ever do anything and you win every game" type deck, but rather just a semi-normal T2 deck with some fun combos.

That being said, this defense won't be able to block with 3 Nails active very many times. Do I have enough anti-3 Nails stuff in there? (The Pit, 2x Seven Sons and DoN)

777Godspeed · « **Reply #8 on:** February 05, 2009, 09:10:48 PM »

Could Captured Ark do double duty? Help with 3 Nails and was it ever resolved about the art showing an idol (ie Depicting an Idol)?

Godspeed,
Mike

DaClock · « **Reply #9 on:** February 05, 2009, 09:23:37 PM »

I don't think Captured Ark depicts an idol but it would be useful. It was one of the things I regretted not having in this deck. If I were to make this deck larger I would want 3 more Uzzah's and 3 Captured Arks.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #10 on:** February 05, 2009, 09:23:52 PM »

Quote from: DaClock on February 05, 2009, 08:21:13 PM

I don't care if you don't play T2, don't like the deck, whatever. I would just like some comments to make the deck better.

Well if you're looking for uniformed, and close to useless comments, then I guess I should post.

I have played Genesis offense in T1 and found it surprisingly strong. I think your offense will probably work out well with the possible exception of having to discard too many duplicate characters. Do you really need 2 Sarah's, why not switch one for a Rebeccah?

I don't think the defense is as strong. If you put ECs down, then they aren't protected from the inevitable AoCP flood of T2. If you put them in KotW to protect them then you can't get them out unless you use Admiral, and if you put him in your territory then you have the same problem. And if you keep him in your hand, then after you play him once and pull out someone, Joshua the HP will just use T-blast to kill your KotW and the 3 ECs in it, and whoever you pulled out.

Of course I know next to nothing about T2, so I'm probably way wrong, but you asked for anything

DaClock · « **Reply #11 on:** February 05, 2009, 09:31:20 PM »

Good idea on switching Sarah for a Rebekah. I agree that I could have some trouble with multiple characters but some of them are really important to have at my disposal at any point.

EC protection is something I thought a lot about for this defense. That is part of the reason I have The Darkness, Kingdoms, Seven Sons x2, and Seven Wicked Spirits x2. However, the other thing is the fact that I have the ability to play from the bottom of my deck with Evil Spawn. I also have 21 evil characters so I'm not extremely worried about having a couple picked off because I have multiples. I haven't played with the defense yet but I think you're right that AOCp decks could be one of the hardest things for me to beat.

Gabe · « **Reply #12 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:08:45 PM »

Ben,

I'm one of the guilty "lookers" who didn't post a comment. See what calling us out does?

I haven't played either of these offenses in T2 so I can't speak from that perspective. Anything I would try in a Genesis offense/Demon defense you've already thought of. The one thing that stood out to me is that you should probably have more Rueben's Torn Clothes and less Jacob Buries the Foreign Idols. JBtFI kills your own idols and you have a few. Also, from what I understand Jacob + RTC is supposed to be an automatic LS so the more of that the better.

Hmmm, if you're not going to use Zebulun (and it appears you're not) then you can use Captain of the Host for Jacob to band with and not mess up anyone's SA. Ben only requires your humans to be from Genesis.

Last thing. Captured Ark does depict and idol. Look closely at the picture and you'll see dagon lying on the floor with his head and hands broken off. Even better, read the story, it's an awesome passage about how God's greatness trumps all.

777Godspeed · « **Reply #13 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:45:04 PM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on February 05, 2009, 10:08:45 PM

Last thing. Captured Ark does depict and idol. Look closely at the picture and you'll see dagon lying on the floor with his head and hands broken off. Even better, read the story, it's an awesome passage about how God's greatness trumps all.

Whew, you saved me from posting the question that had already been posted and answered, but seems to have been lost in the purge. But, if I had dug deeply enough into the REG the first time I would have found it.

from the REG -
Depicting an Idol
Several Redemption® cards contain special abilities that refer to cards that “depict an idol.” The following cards refer to cards that depict an idol:
• Demon behind the Idol, Pagan Priest, Unbowed, Worshipping Demons, and Worshipper of False Gods

This includes the following cards:
• Altar of Dagon, Asherah Pole, Captured Ark, Golden Calf, Household Idols, Jacob Buries the Foreign gods, Jeroboam's Idolatry, and Unknown Nation

Godspeed,
Mike

DaClock · « **Reply #14 on:** February 06, 2009, 12:46:13 AM »

Quote from: the musicain on February 05, 2009, 11:53:00 PM

why is unknown nation a idol?

It isn't an idol itself but the card depicts one.

franta012 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2009, 08:33:43 PM »

First of all, I love your simple yet powerful defense. I just might take this idea. Haha.

You own Three Nails. Maybe too much.
I prefer Angel at Shur over TSA. You already have Captain.
I'm not sure you can stay within your Genesis theme to search for Wall. Maybe Zach.

adamfincher · « **Reply #16 on:** April 09, 2009, 05:20:11 PM »

well.... put in a tartaros, because admiral can band people from tartaros into battle

or put in the pit

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #17 on:** April 13, 2009, 12:59:32 AM »

i dont know if it is a problem or not but i noticed when i build an orange defence i run into the same delima every time...too many evil characters--and i noticed your ratios...was it 22 evil characters you had? And thats with only 2 demon behind the idols.

DaClock · « **Reply #18 on:** April 13, 2009, 02:41:28 AM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on April 13, 2009, 12:59:32 AM

i dont know if it is a problem or not but i noticed when i build an orange defence i run into the same delima every time...too many evil characters--and i noticed your ratios...was it 22 evil characters you had? And thats with only 2 demon behind the idols.

I think that is a benefit of the Orange defense. Prince of this World, King of Tyrus and Trembling Demon can all win battles on their own with no back-up. I can also use The Bronze Laver and put EC's on the bottom and know I'll be able to draw more, not something I'd feel comfortable doing with 12-15 evil characters.

However, I honestly haven't played with this deck much. I built it but realized I'd have to invest a lot of money into getting all the necessary cards, which I wasn't really interested in doing.

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #19 on:** April 14, 2009, 12:57:22 AM »

Artifacts: 11
Household Idols x2-your orange does not rly need this, might want to do b shrouds
The Bronze Laver x3-cut it down to 2
Stone Pillar at Bethel x3-i would take all 3 out and put in 3 writs
Asherah Pole x3-hurts you, might want to take all 3 out. You sinning hand can not ne interrupted and your worshipping demons can not be negated.

Good Doms: 4
Sog
NJ
AOTL
GOYS-your deck is not too fast i would take this out

Good Forts: 1
Wall of Protection-this is fine dont take it out or add another 1 is good

Heroes: 19
Benjamin x3
Jacob x4
Levi x2
Simeon x2
Sarah
Rebekah
Asher x2
Captain of the Host x2-would do 3
Angel at Shur x2-take one out for capn

Covenants: 2
I Am Holy x2-not necessary your deck is strong and this always helps but is not crucial

Enhancements: 18
Helmet of Brass x2
Abraham's Servant to Ur x3
Jacob Buries the Foreign Idols x2
Journey to Egypt x2-out
Reuben's Torn Clothes x5
Obedience of Noah x2
Pleading for the City x2-out for obed of noahx2

Evil Dominants: 4
Burial
CM
DON
FA-same as goys

Evil Forts: 3
The Pit
Kingdoms of the World
The Darkness

Evil Characters: 21-to many cut down to 18 3 brown guys could go easily
Admiral-i would not use
Uzzah x2-if you listen to me on the arts then you wont have enough for uzzah
Seven sons of Sceva x2
Evil Spawn x5-gonna have alot of these just sitting here, might wanna do 3 or 4
Prince of this World x2
King of Tyrus x2
Fallen Angel x2
Demon Behind the Idol x2-would do 3
Seven Wicked Spirits x3-take out one for a demon behind the idol

Curses: 3
Captured Ark x3

Enhancements: 13-i do not like this at all. My preference is having 2's and 3's of different enhs so if something goes wrong then your entire defense is not destroyed.
Sinning Hand x5
Worshipping Demons x5
Pride Before Calamity x3

I took out 12 cards. Uzzahx2, Admiral, Evil Spawn, FA, I Am Holyx2, GOYS, Asherah Polex3, Bronze Laver. Now you can take out 2 lost souls and have a 105 card deck.

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Author Topic: Genesis and Demons: UPDATE... Help me downsize (Read 8357 times)