Author Topic: What defence is better for a Disciples Deck (Read 8701 times)

Dario Dante · « **on:** July 28, 2011, 01:31:26 PM »

Herods or Philistines??

Noah · « **Reply #1 on:** July 28, 2011, 01:44:12 PM »

Pharisees.

Dario Dante · « **Reply #2 on:** July 28, 2011, 01:47:32 PM »

What would Pharisees do??

CJSports · « **Reply #3 on:** July 28, 2011, 01:52:29 PM »

I would go with Phillistines now that they have Goliath.
Pharisees were probably the best before Goliath was out but hey Randall won NE regs with Phillys and splash of Sads so it is really up to what you like because a lot of things work. I would not suggest herods however.

Dario Dante · « **Reply #4 on:** July 28, 2011, 01:54:33 PM »

Well the problem was I traded my Goliath Promo away, so I wouldn't have a shot with philistines without him right??

CJSports · « **Reply #5 on:** July 28, 2011, 01:56:29 PM »

Quote from: CJSports on July 28, 2011, 01:52:29 PM

Randall won NE regs with Phillys and splash of Sads so it is really up to what you like because a lot of things work.

Dario Dante · « **Reply #6 on:** July 28, 2011, 01:58:40 PM »

oh, I was thinking Herods because they seem pretty powerful, is that true?? Because I dont think I have the good Sads cards

CJSports · « **Reply #7 on:** July 28, 2011, 02:06:27 PM »

honestly herods are better for a balanced deck or defense heavy they are usually not used as a small defence. To my knowledge all Randall used was a sad with high priest plot.

Dario Dante · « **Reply #8 on:** July 28, 2011, 02:08:39 PM »

So all he needed was 1 sad and he won!!!

CJSports · « **Reply #9 on:** July 28, 2011, 02:11:34 PM »

avec high priest plot and a decent philly defense, one reason a sad is nice you can use cards like jiP and Wrath on them.

Dario Dante · « **Reply #10 on:** July 28, 2011, 02:13:06 PM »

anyother suggestions??

Noah · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2011, 02:17:27 PM »

Quote from: Rockyaacdtm on July 28, 2011, 02:13:06 PM

anyother suggestions??

Pharisees and Magicians. They will add lots of speed, can have Unholy writ and Magic Charms up at the same time, and can play Balaam's Disobedeince on Balaam for name on name bonus. And thats just to name a few.

Dario Dante · « **Reply #12 on:** July 28, 2011, 02:21:17 PM »

I was thinking about doing Magicians but I think it would be a little complicated, I also wanted an anti disciple defense in a Disciples Deck. I tried Romans, but all that ended up was not pretty!!! I was just ending up killing myself. Any thing that would be an Anti Disciples but that wouldn't kill me.

Nameless · « **Reply #13 on:** July 28, 2011, 05:44:48 PM »

You win before the other Disciples deck.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #14 on:** July 28, 2011, 09:17:45 PM »

"mirror matches" like that are often won by the person with the better draw.

Josh · « **Reply #15 on:** July 28, 2011, 09:26:11 PM »

If you want to have an anti-Disciple defense, Black is the way to go. Philly splash with Goliath's Armor and Overwhelmed by Philistines. It will be tough against most offenses and very tough against Disciples.

And if you REALLY want an anti-Disciple defense, add Manasseh/King Amon (K)/Gates of Jerusalem.

Noah · « **Reply #16 on:** July 28, 2011, 11:30:00 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on July 28, 2011, 09:17:45 PM

"mirror matches" like that are often won by the person with the better draw.

And if you draw faster (With say Pharisees Perhaps) you can reduce the chance of a bad draw.

Gabe · « **Reply #17 on:** July 29, 2011, 10:17:19 AM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on July 28, 2011, 09:17:45 PM

"mirror matches" like that are often won by the person with the better draw.

It's usually not the draw but mistakes and less than optimal choices that determine the outcome of the game.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #18 on:** July 29, 2011, 10:27:45 AM »

Here's my two cents:

Try any type of defense you're interested in on RTS to get a feel for how it runs before you start trading cards. If you love it, make a note and try the next. You never know if you'll like something else better.

It really comes down to (A) the type of deck you're playing and (B) how YOU play in particular. Find the defense that you feel fits you the best, and have fun with it.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #19 on:** July 29, 2011, 11:56:23 AM »

Quote from: Gabe on July 29, 2011, 10:17:19 AM

Quote from: SomeKittens on July 28, 2011, 09:17:45 PM
"mirror matches" like that are often won by the person with the better draw.

It's usually not the draw but mistakes and less than optimal choices that determine the outcome of the game.

That's most games, including mirror matches. Most mirror matches I've seen were determined by the draw. I had one once against Greeson, and it came down to who drew faster.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #20 on:** July 29, 2011, 12:01:58 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on July 29, 2011, 10:17:19 AM

It's usually not the draw but mistakes and less than optimal choices that determine the outcome of the game.

But sometimes it is completely due to the draw.

Gabe · « **Reply #21 on:** July 29, 2011, 01:34:45 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on July 29, 2011, 12:01:58 PM

Quote from: Gabe on July 29, 2011, 10:17:19 AM
It's usually not the draw but mistakes and less than optimal choices that determine the outcome of the game.
But sometimes it is completely due to the draw.

Yes, but very rarely. Certainly not as often as people claim. Most people just don't have the perspective to see otherwise. It's OK to be ignorant to your own mistakes and blame your loss on the draw or bad luck but it doesn't help you improve at all.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #22 on:** July 29, 2011, 03:12:00 PM »

Probably the most convincing argument for luck of the draw being a big factor is when two people play consecutive games with the same decks, and the results are completely opposite (i.e. first game one person wins in a blowout, and in the very next game, the other person wins in a blowout). This happened recently to myself and Nathan Voigt at MN states T2-2P. Our decks and playstyles were good enough to earn second and first place respectively, but in our tournament match, Nathan beat me 7-0 in 10 minutes. Since we had plenty of time until the next round, I asked for a rematch, to which Nathan obliged, and I beat him 7-2 in about 20 minutes. Sadly, he didn't agree to my proposal to report the second score for the tournament...

We both agreed that neither person made significant mistakes during either game, it just came down to the way our decks drew out.

But I agree that blaming a game on bad draws is too often an illegitimate excuse.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #23 on:** July 29, 2011, 03:33:58 PM »

I find I win alot of matches due to not my opponent making bad plays , but to myself making the most of any play aka. card advantage. I usually hear things like "My turn yet?" and I still have plenty to do with my turn (go go gadget abes kid + gogo, pulling out pretention and drawing two more cards)- even if it's a battle challenge. I try to figure out different ways to change a battle challenge into a rescue attempt or draw more cards ect.

Card advantage (often abbreviated CA) is a term used in collectible card game strategy to indicate one player having access to more cards than another player.[1] The concept was first discovered early in the history of Magic: The Gathering strategy. Many early decks relied on gaining more cards than their opponent then using this advantage in order to play either a game winning spell with enough counterspell backup or to slowly kill their opponent while preventing their opponent from casting meaningful spells. Today it is recognized as one of the most important indicators of who is ahead in a game.[2]

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #24 on:** July 29, 2011, 04:25:55 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on July 29, 2011, 03:12:00 PM

Probably the most convincing argument for luck of the draw being a big factor is when two people play consecutive games with the same decks, and the results are completely opposite (i.e. first game one person wins in a blowout, and in the very next game, the other person wins in a blowout). This happened recently to myself and Nathan Voigt at MN states T2-2P. Our decks and playstyles were good enough to earn second and first place respectively, but in our tournament match, Nathan beat me 7-0 in 10 minutes. Since we had plenty of time until the next round, I asked for a rematch, to which Nathan obliged, and I beat him 7-2 in about 20 minutes. Sadly, he didn't agree to my proposal to report the second score for the tournament... We both agreed that neither person made significant mistakes during either game, it just came down to the way our decks drew out.

But I agree that blaming a game on bad draws is too often an illegitimate excuse.

Honestly, I think T2 is probably more prone to draw issues due to the lack of truly random draws and the sheer amount of cards in question.

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