Author Topic: Watchful Servant Turtle (Read 10968 times)

sepjazzwarrior · « **on:** February 07, 2012, 01:22:53 PM »

63 cards

LS:8
site sharer
NT
Female
pigs
speedbump
3 liner
site EC placer
withdrawer

doms:7
grapes
FA
CM
burial
DoN
Mayhem
Vain phil

Forts:4
herod's temple
wall of protection
assyrian camp
philly outpost

artifacts:2
lampstand
asherah pole

covs and curses:4
Josiah's cov
I am healing
cov with death
unknown nation

sites: 8
silver site x 3
teal sites x 3
horma
pergimum

heros:1
watchful servant

evil characters:12
goliath
philly garrison
12 finger
philly armor bearer
fallen warrior
philly priests
simon the magician
Delilah
assyrian archer
king sargon II
assyrian survivors
ASA
uzzah
FW

evil enhancements:15
land dispute
foolish advice
bringing fear
pride of simeon
philly 2k horses
joseph before pharaoh
hunger
ish spear
wrath of satan
overwhelmed by phillies
2k horses
death of unrighteous
confusion
forgotten history
achins sin

Master Q · « **Reply #1 on:** February 07, 2012, 01:33:51 PM »

Right now, if they CM your WS, you're done. I would use Herod's Temple instead of the Tabernacle, and I would get rid of KotW, Mirac. Hand, Tables, Plagued w. D., and add more support for WS, like CoF, Lay down your Life, etc.

I'd concentrate on probably just two evil brigades for enhancements/characters, or add Users o' the confusing arts and/or Deceiving Spirit so you have more characters who can use all your enhancements. Def add KingMan.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #2 on:** February 07, 2012, 01:42:45 PM »

Quote from: Master Q on February 07, 2012, 01:33:51 PM

Right now, if they CM your WS, you're done. I would use Herod's Temple instead of the Tabernacle, and I would get rid of KotW, Mirac. Hand, Tables, Plagued w. D., and add more support for WS, like CoF, Lay down your Life, etc.

A New Covenant does the trick nicely.

I'm really confused as to why Training in Righteousness is in here though.

The defense looks pretty weak. You can make a lot of stall blocks, but the overall damage isn't serious enough to hold them off the whole game. It's also a tad spread out.

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #3 on:** February 07, 2012, 04:31:01 PM »

training in righteousness is in there for site access, and a new cov and backward shadow stop CM and from him getting decreased in territory by gates of sameria or plagued with diseases. i came up with a new defense, Ill be updating the deck with it

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #4 on:** February 07, 2012, 04:33:30 PM »

"Falling Away" is questionable because you will almost always get it AFTER your opponent has GoYS, so it will be a dead card.

"Herod's Temple" is fine to replace "Tabernacle", but probably won't matter because you won't have any deck left to discard by the time you are in danger.

"Wall of Protection" is a good card in this deck (although not in most others) since you never have to worry about Goliath blocking you.

"Darkness" is probably not necessary

"Kingdoms of this world" is a good card (despite the suggestion to remove it). It is great for protecting your magician with MC on it, and is also good for stopping CTB.

"magic hankerchief" is unnecessary with "The New Covenant" which is more versatile.

"tables of the law" is unnecessary once you take out some of the fluffy enhs that are causing your hand clog. If you really have a problem with it, then Storehouse is better.

"rain becomes dust" also unnecessary

"faithful servant promo" I would replace with Ahimaaz for CoF recursion of WS

training in righteousness - unnecessary
lifting the curse - unnecessary
backward shadow - unnecessary

As for the defense, most people would suggest going with a solid brown defense with the Samaria defense + standalones like Gomer and Uzzah and TAS, and I'd throw in Complainers as well. I'd also splash Assyrian Archer + ASA. With all of that you should be able to take out any site access that they have, and lock them out before they deck out and you start walking in with WS.

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #5 on:** February 07, 2012, 04:47:51 PM »

the reason i use FSP is that on him i can play lifting the curse (to get rid of placed enhancements and curses), backward shadow (to stop decrease), and beniductus, plus the side benefit of play a new cov as an enhancement. i would like to do ahimaaz with CoF, but i have no other way to kill destructive sin other than perhaps grapes, and i need backward shadow in case i run into a plagued with diesease or gates of samera defense, so i need all the birgade colors in there. magic hankie is in there to protect WS if i have to set him aside on trianing in righteousness for site access from darius decree, but i can see how that would be unnecessary, ill probably take them out and take my chances with an access site and how it doesnt get land disputed away. i see your point on FA, probably will take it out for perhaps kingdoms witht the new defense. herodes temple wont help cause ill be out of a deck before i rescue, and i ahve other things to get around CM

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #6 on:** February 07, 2012, 05:25:11 PM »

The Darkness is not needed, but I do like it. It does protect the face down EC, and stops CTB. It also is helpful to mess with the opponent. If you could leave it, I would.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 07, 2012, 05:33:56 PM »

I have always use FA in defenseive heavy decks, though Guardian doesn't usually make the cut. Sure you might not be able to play it in every game, but when you can get it off it can be a difference between a win and a loss.

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #8 on:** February 07, 2012, 08:43:37 PM »

moved it down to a 56, switched to ahimaaz and CoF rather than just trying to heal WS every time. took out storehouse, rain becomes dust, overwhelmed by phillies. could i discard unknown nation to save WS with herods temple (they are matching birgade cause they are both gold)

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #9 on:** February 07, 2012, 09:21:09 PM »

Not a big enough defense to block early, and last the entire game. I'd bump the EC's up to 14-16, and add another 1-3 EE's.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #10 on:** February 07, 2012, 09:31:05 PM »

What do you do if opponent has Cov. w/ Death?

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #11 on:** February 07, 2012, 09:33:24 PM »

DoN or ASA. would it be better to bump it up to a 63 for more characters? also keep in mind that there are plenty of sites to help stall

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #12 on:** February 07, 2012, 11:20:03 PM »

Can't rely on sites to stall. You need one more counter to Cov w/ Death. And yes, I firmly believe 63 cards will work better.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 08, 2012, 11:11:22 AM »

Agreed, DoN might not even be a reliable counter as you then leave yourself open to magic charms. ASA isn't that reliable either because chances are they have already rescued 2 lost souls before they need cwd active. As for the counter itself I would say captured ark, but by the time you need it they will probably be decked and get it right back. Seeing as how you will need more than two reascues to win I don't think this is a legitimate option. Your best bet is to use some white hero with Lifting the Curse, between that and ASA you have a good chance of getting rid of cwd. But this is why I am hesitant to use Watchful Servant for Turtle this year.

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #14 on:** February 08, 2012, 12:10:37 PM »

i took out ahimaaz, CoF, and mayhem (i never seem to use it) for FSP, lifting the curse, and backward shadow. would it maybe be a good idea to add blue tassels to stop all the self capture characters (slave, A. survivors, pharaoh cupbearer, ect) and joseph in prison from giving me LS's? what should i add to bump it up to a 63? if i do make it bigger im afraid of not drawing what i need fast enough so what could i add for speed or to stop my opponent from drawing? here is what i was thinking:

Add:
philly priests
captured ark
Rain becomes dust
king sargon
a site, probably silver
mayhem

Professoralstad · « **Reply #15 on:** February 08, 2012, 12:32:03 PM »

If any decks should be bigger than 63, it would be turtles. I would definitely use Mayhem (a FTM allows you to set up faster than your opponent, and it can reduce a speed player's 13+ card hand full of doms and battle winners to six cards. You shouldn't need to worry about self-capture EC's since you won't be attacking until end game anyway.

I would add Captured Ark to counter CwD, sure they'll draw it again, but getting rid of it during your prep phase you can play LtC during your dc phase.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #16 on:** February 08, 2012, 12:40:41 PM »

LTC won't work against CwD unless they block your White Hero and give you initaitive.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #17 on:** February 08, 2012, 12:43:00 PM »

Right. Which is why Captured Ark would help.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #18 on:** February 08, 2012, 12:45:40 PM »

How would LTC help following Ark if CwD is shuffled? Cards are considered played when their special ability activates, aren't they?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #19 on:** February 08, 2012, 12:52:15 PM »

Yes. However, LtC's ability activated as a triggered ability and is always active. Using it to get rid of a Curse isn't activating/playing it. Similarly, CwD won't stop Abom from triggering, etc.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #20 on:** February 08, 2012, 12:57:23 PM »

That makes sense.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 08, 2012, 12:58:49 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on February 08, 2012, 12:40:41 PM

LTC won't work against CwD unless they block your White Hero and give you initaitive.

My point was either they activate cwd and it gets discarded by ASA or they deactivate it and I can play lifting the curse anyway. But I see now why captured ark is helpful.

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #22 on:** February 08, 2012, 01:21:27 PM »

changed the cards im thinking of adding at the bottom of p.1. what do you think about using silver sites? would there be a better color to use?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #23 on:** February 08, 2012, 01:28:31 PM »

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on February 07, 2012, 08:43:37 PM

moved it down to a 56, switched to ahimaaz and CoF rather than just trying to heal WS every time. took out storehouse, rain becomes dust, overwhelmed by phillies. could i discard unknown nation to save WS with herods temple (they are matching birgade cause they are both gold)

No, Evil Gold and Good Gold are different brigades.

Side note, why Ahimazz over Spy?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #24 on:** February 08, 2012, 02:00:40 PM »

Ahimaaz would allow you to use Urim and Thummim, and Benedictus, whicjh is why I always used him in my turtles, but since he doesn't use either, there's really no reason to choose one over the other.

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