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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #225 on: January 10, 2012, 12:49:07 PM »
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I would actually argue that FBTNB can sit firmly in the confines of a Samuel deck. Gives it a few more options and adds a lot more speed to it.
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #226 on: January 10, 2012, 01:15:40 PM »
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Quote from: Professoralstad on January 10, 2012, 12:12:45 PM
Quote from: Red on January 10, 2012, 12:05:34 PM
I haven't seen a teal/gold/green Samuel deck yet. Even so red/purple has to be better.

I would be inclined to agree with Red here, but I guess I could be proven wrong.
Quote from: Red on January 10, 2012, 12:05:34 PM
I haven't seen a teal/gold/green Samuel deck yet. Even so red/purple has to be better.

I am tempted to post my deck now to get your thoughts. I have no doubt in my mind that my version of Sam is better than a standard Red/Purple, but I can understand why the community wouldn't think so (since no one has really talked about that combo until this thread).

Quote from: Gabe on January 10, 2012, 12:30:26 PM
My favorite Sam-I-Am deck used Gold, Green, Purple, Red, Silver and Teal. No White or Blue though.

Sounds interesting. Must have been fun to try to fit any defense into it ;)

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Quote from: Chronic Apathy on January 10, 2012, 12:32:08 PM
Finally, can someone please explain what the big deal about regular TGT (mostly white, with Peter and John splashed in) is? It's not that fast, they only have three viable battle winners (four when you recur He is Risen via Consider the Lilies), and I just don't see what puts it on the same level as Sam, Gardensciples, Disciples, or even Genesis. This could just be by own ignorance and I'm not getting something here, so please enlighten me.
It's like Tim Tebow. It's pretty bad, but it just wins.

Just kidding. I don't think it should be that high either.

I'd be ok with TGT in top of B tier.
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #227 on: January 10, 2012, 01:24:23 PM »
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Quote from: TheHobbit13 on January 10, 2012, 12:47:00 PM
Why didn't FBTNB even show up on the list? They should be A tier.

FBTNb+TGT won our District on Saturday so this much is for sure - it can beat kids. :)

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on January 10, 2012, 01:15:40 PM
Quote from: Gabe on January 10, 2012, 12:30:26 PM
My favorite Sam-I-Am deck used Gold, Green, Purple, Red, Silver and Teal. No White or Blue though.

Sounds interesting. Must have been fun to try to fit any defense into it ;)

Defense? Oh, you mean that brown King Saul... ::)
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #228 on: January 10, 2012, 01:42:47 PM »
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Quote from: Alex_Olijar on January 10, 2012, 01:15:40 PM
Quote from: Professoralstad on January 10, 2012, 12:12:45 PM
Quote from: Red on January 10, 2012, 12:05:34 PM
I haven't seen a teal/gold/green Samuel deck yet. Even so red/purple has to be better.

I would be inclined to agree with Red here, but I guess I could be proven wrong.
Quote from: Red on January 10, 2012, 12:05:34 PM
I haven't seen a teal/gold/green Samuel deck yet. Even so red/purple has to be better.

I am tempted to post my deck now to get your thoughts. I have no doubt in my mind that my version of Sam is better than a standard Red/Purple, but I can understand why the community wouldn't think so (since no one has really talked about that combo until this thread).
I've mentioned it several times before, and posted on in the TEAMS decks forum, but nobody goes there...
PM me though? I'd like to see it and how it's different than my old one.

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on January 10, 2012, 12:47:00 PM
Why didn't FBTNB even show up on the list? They should be A tier.
Because it counters the meta too perfectly and I don't want people knowing about it...

Okay, how about this:

A Tier
Samuel (all variants)
Gardenciples
FBTNB
Disciples

B Tier
Genesis
TGT
Prophets

C Tier
Mono-Red
Judges
Royalty
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #229 on: January 10, 2012, 01:46:32 PM »
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Move Sam and Gardensciples up to S Tier, put FBTNB, Genesis, TGT, and Disciples in A tier.
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #230 on: January 10, 2012, 01:48:40 PM »
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Quote from: Chronic Apathy on January 10, 2012, 01:46:32 PM
Move Sam and Gardensciples up to S Tier, put FBTNB, Genesis, TGT, and Disciples in A tier.

I agree. I think Genesis should be the top of A tier. FBTNB should probably be second. TGT third. Disciples there just because of Thad.
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #231 on: January 10, 2012, 01:49:38 PM »
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Disciples > TGT.

That's just me though.
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #232 on: January 10, 2012, 01:50:02 PM »
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Quote from: Chronic Apathy on January 10, 2012, 01:49:38 PM
Disciples > TGT.

That's just me though.

Maybe if people actually played defense.
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #233 on: January 10, 2012, 01:52:14 PM »
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Judges are not C tier.  Bottom of B at least.  Bullet proof gideon need not be ignored.
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #234 on: January 10, 2012, 01:53:11 PM »
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Quote from: Red on January 10, 2012, 01:52:14 PM
Judges are not C tier.  Bottom of B at least.  Bullet proof gideon need not be ignored.

I'm actually inclined to agree. Put Judges below Isaiah and Zeke. We need to figure out where a good Green/Teal deck would fit too.
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #235 on: January 10, 2012, 01:54:15 PM »
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Quote from: Red on January 10, 2012, 01:52:14 PM
Judges are not C tier.  Bottom of B at least.  Bullet proof gideon need not be ignored.

Meh. 6/6 no SA is welcome to be bulletproof.
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #236 on: January 10, 2012, 01:56:39 PM »
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Above Zeke.  Zeke's too slow, Judges have Samuel, Oak, Jair. Eli's sound advice, and defense drawing. In addition judges have more CBN firepower than Zeke.
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #237 on: January 10, 2012, 01:58:32 PM »
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Disciples have some power, not just Thad.  MLaMG, tons of drawing, AoCP, etc.
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #238 on: January 10, 2012, 02:01:42 PM »
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Quote from: Red on January 10, 2012, 01:56:39 PM
Above Zeke.  Zeke's too slow, Judges have Samuel, Oak, Jair. Eli's sound advice, and defense drawing. In addition judges have more CBN firepower than Zeke.

Recursion of Forest Fire is, in my opinion, stronger than anything Judges have to offer.
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #239 on: January 10, 2012, 02:06:44 PM »
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Quote from: SomeKittens on January 10, 2012, 01:58:32 PM
Disciples have some power, not just Thad.  MLaMG, tons of drawing, AoCP, etc.
You just mentioned Disciples' only two reliable battle winners.

S Tier should ideally only have one in it...

S Tier
Samuel (And variants of)
Gardenciples

A Tier
Genesis
FBTNB
TGT (Just because Susie won March Madness)
Disciples (Just because Thad lost March Madness...)

B Tier
Prophets
Judges

C Tier
Mono-Red
Royalty
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #240 on: January 10, 2012, 02:09:38 PM »
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Quote from: Ring Wraith on January 10, 2012, 02:06:44 PM
TGT (Just because Susie won March Madness)
Disciples (Just because Thad lost March Madness...)
Couldn't miss an opportunity to rub salt in that particular wound, could you....

Disciples also have Phil/Bart, which win battles just by existing.  A first turn Phil can be *almost* as bad as a FTM.
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #241 on: January 10, 2012, 02:11:24 PM »
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Disciples have a lot more than Thad. AoCp is the best battle winner in the game, and they have nothing but interrupts. Did your opponent just play Plot? Darn it! Looks like you'll have to discard from hand and deck to make sure you still get that rescue!
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #242 on: January 10, 2012, 02:14:55 PM »
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Disciples' best heroes are John, Philip/Bart, and Matthew. Thad is WAY overrated.

TGT doesn't even give your opponent a chance to block though. Plus, with a 4 character CBN chain, you'd have to pull off Writ, Charms, and CM. And then you just discard from hand and deck to make sure you still get that rescue.

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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #243 on: January 10, 2012, 02:16:39 PM »
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Quote from: Ring Wraith on January 10, 2012, 02:06:44 PM
Quote from: SomeKittens on January 10, 2012, 01:58:32 PM
Disciples have some power, not just Thad.  MLaMG, tons of drawing, AoCP, etc.
You just mentioned Disciples' only two reliable battle winners.

S Tier should ideally only have one in it...

S Tier
Samuel (And variants of)
Gardenciples

A Tier
Genesis
FBTNB
TGT (Just because Susie won March Madness)
Disciples (Just because Thad lost March Madness...)

B Tier
Prophets
Judges

C Tier
Mono-Red
Royalty
Is FBTNB really better than TGT? A TGT deck won nats, while a FBTNB got 7th. The new set did have a lot fort killers, but also a lot of CBP.
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #244 on: January 10, 2012, 02:17:40 PM »
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Actually, Mark Underwood's FBTNB deck placed fourth.
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #245 on: January 10, 2012, 02:18:29 PM »
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Quote from: SomeKittens on January 10, 2012, 02:17:40 PM
Actually, Mark Underwood's FBTNB deck placed fourth.
Still TGT won...
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #246 on: January 10, 2012, 02:20:02 PM »
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It's a new year. Last year, Phillies (the most popular defense) wrecked FBTNB.
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #247 on: January 10, 2012, 02:23:38 PM »
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Quote from: Ring Wraith on January 10, 2012, 02:20:02 PM
It's a new year. Last year, Phillies (the most popular defense) wrecked FBTNB.
True, but new things like CwD, Tower of Thebez, and all the evil CBN/CBP wreck it too. IMO, TGT is better.
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #248 on: January 10, 2012, 02:25:33 PM »
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Strictly speaking, nobody should be using regular TGT anyway. Gardensciples uses all the best parts of TGT and does it better.
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Re: Tier Lists (T1)
« Reply #249 on: January 10, 2012, 02:35:18 PM »
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Quote from: Red Wing on January 10, 2012, 02:23:38 PM
Quote from: Ring Wraith on January 10, 2012, 02:20:02 PM
It's a new year. Last year, Phillies (the most popular defense) wrecked FBTNB.
True, but new things like CwD, Tower of Thebez, and all the evil CBN/CBP wreck it too. IMO, TGT is better.
Nobody uses defense, so it's all good. CwD would be the only problem, and that can be side stepped.

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on January 10, 2012, 02:25:33 PM
Strictly speaking, nobody should be using regular TGT anyway. Gardensciples uses all the best parts of TGT and does it better.
Strictly speaking, nobody should be using regular disciples anyway. Gardensciples uses all the best parts of disciples and does it better.
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