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Just curious why Zeke would be considered better than Isaiah? Isaiah has more reliable recursion (places on top and draws) he makes a couple of battle winners CBN (just like Zeke) and he gets to use Hidden Treasures (unlike Zeke). Is it just Zeke's stats (which more easily allow him to play his CBN battle winners)? Or is it all about the Pan? I personally think Pan is a bit overrated, but that's just me...

I prefer Isaiah to Zeke.

Zeke has much better initiative, better Zeke Enhancements, pairs with a defense that's more useful in side-battles, has pan (although that's a minor consideration), has Teal, and negates Horses.

Isaiah has a CBN band, some drawing, faster recursion, negation of EC's LS's and site access.

To me, that looks like the scales are in Zeke's favor, and my use of both of them has borne that out. However, I could see Isaiah being more appealing to some.

Isaiah has the ability to use Hidden Treasures, create a bulletproof 9/11 Hero, the ability to be searched for, and pairs with a defense that's better at a medium size. Not to mention the aforementioned fact that Isaiah is much less reliant on a specific defense due to the recursion and searching for him. Isaiah enhancements (including Siegeworks, my personal favorite of the dual-colored prophet enhancements) can be used more often and are much more easily recurable (in late game, Isaiah can pull an enhancement out of the discard pile and immediately draw it).

Frankly, it looks like the scales are stacked quite heavily in the favor of Isaiah.

The fact that Zeke gets initiative FAR easier is a huge advantage, considering none of their new enhancements are ITB's.

Live Coal!?!! 

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on September 16, 2011, 07:11:10 PM

The fact that Zeke gets initiative FAR easier is a huge advantage, considering none of their new enhancements are ITB's.

Live Coal!?!! 

So you negate and discard one of their enhancements, what if they play another one? 

True.

On the flip side I've also been able to dismantle a few Isaiah offenses with surprising ease.

Isaiah recursion is kind of just for the defense except Live Coal. None of them are ITB, and Isaiah is huge. Zeke can actually use his CBN enhancements. Also, I assert that Babs are better than Assyrians no matter the size (in fact, Assyrians benefit even more from a larger size).

Nebuchadnezzar
Nergal
Belshazzar
Sapphira
Astrologers
Nebushashban

Bel's Banquet
Great Image
Deceit
Swift Horses
Head of Gold
Invoking Fear

I challenge you to do better with 10 cards on Assyrians!

That's twelve cards, but okay.

Siege Army
Survivor
Archer
The Rabsaris
King Tiglath Pileser II
User of Curious Arts

Achan's Sin
Captured by Assyria
Confusion
Death of Unrighteous
2K Horses
Forgotten History

While Babs might have slightly more physical oomph, Survivor can't be discarded and is great for initiative. Siege Army is quite self-explanatory; Babylonians don't have anything that's that versatile. Three character banding is also something Babs don't have, and cannot be discounted.

Also, why aren't more people emphasizing the fact that Isaiah creates a CBN "Protected by opponents" 9/11 hero? How does that not completely trump anything Ezekiel brings to the table?

I don't have the cards to test it yet but I'd be more inclined to use both.  They're both good, why not double up on that?  I don't think it would take up that much space either.

The main thing is that, unless you use Babylonians and Assyrians, you're forced to choose who's enhancements you'd rather have (Zeke's or Isaiah's). It's not really wise to put in two or three enhancements unless you have a lot of cards that can use them.

Egyptian Magicians is even better because you can actually play it straight from bottom of deck!

If I was to play prophets then would it e wise to have Zeke and Isaiah in the deck?

I have both Zeke enchantments in my almost complete prophets deck (but no zeke yet!), and I am going to play babs, can't i just play all of the good and evil cards as offence?

Are N.T. prophets really A? I've never seen them, but they don't seem super great.

Have there been any defensive tier-lists proposed yet? I dont really want to look through 14 pages for it.