Author Topic: Tier Lists (T1) (Read 35934 times)

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #125 on:** August 15, 2011, 11:25:44 AM »

What kind of defense are you calling that though?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #126 on:** August 15, 2011, 11:31:11 AM »

Orange/Black. It was A tier.

Master KChief · « **Reply #127 on:** August 15, 2011, 12:03:54 PM »

you cant make a proper tier list 4 days after the new cards were released...no extensive gameplay, no constructed high-level tournament play outside of draft, etc. the tier list proposed post-nats with the new cards looks pretty legit, but its just speculation at this point.

concerning anti-meta, its as much a deck archtype as any. the tier lists shouldnt be tiered by offense or defense per se, but its overall win strat. 99% of anti-meta is stalling and hard countering anything your opponent throws at you until you can set up watchful or an alt win strat, so it should be classified and ranked as such.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #128 on:** August 15, 2011, 12:08:56 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on August 15, 2011, 12:03:54 PM

you cant make a proper tier list 4 days after the new cards were released...no extensive gameplay, no constructed high-level tournament play outside of draft, etc. the tier list proposed post-nats with the new cards looks pretty legit, but its just speculation at this point.

concerning anti-meta, its as much a deck archtype as any. the tier lists shouldnt be tiered by offense or defense per se, but its overall win strat. 99% of anti-meta is stalling and hard countering anything your opponent throws at you until you can set up watchful or an alt win strat, so it should be classified and ranked as such.

Archetypes are too straightforward and not the best for newer players, which is why I started this to begin with (see cookie monster's threads asking if this defense or that defense is any good).

S Tier:
Speed

A Tier:
Balanced
Anti-Meta (this could even be B Tier)
Hero-Lite

B Tier:
Deck Discard
Hand Discard
Everything Else

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #129 on:** August 15, 2011, 02:25:39 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 15, 2011, 11:09:13 AM

That last tier list was the final for this year. The new tier list is more like this:

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 10, 2011, 01:24:07 AM
Bump with new set release to be considered. Here's my initial reaction for the offense:

S Tier
Red Warriors

A Tier
Judges/Silver
Prophets
Fight by the Numbers Banding

B Tier
Genesis
Royalty
The Garden Tomb
Disciples
Choose the Blocker

C Tier
Watchful Servant
Teal
Job

D Tier
Silver
Luke

IMHO, I believe fbtnb belongs in A tier. It got 7th at nats, very well coulda/shoulda gotten 3rd, and won ironman.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #130 on:** August 15, 2011, 02:59:18 PM »

It is in A Tier in the guesses with the new set list, and was A Tier in MKC's final tier list for last year.

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #131 on:** August 15, 2011, 04:38:54 PM »

Did i say A? I meant S

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #132 on:** August 16, 2011, 08:03:08 PM »

Any list putting Genesis below A, maybe S, is invalid.

Master KChief · « **Reply #133 on:** August 16, 2011, 11:02:58 PM »

tgt will continue to be the only s until people decide to actively tech against it. the only golgotha i saw at top tables at nats was used by justin, thats it.

browarod · « **Reply #134 on:** August 16, 2011, 11:06:30 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on August 16, 2011, 11:02:58 PM

tgt will continue to be the only s until people decide to actively tech against it. the only golgotha i saw at top tables at nats was used by justin, thats it.

I wasn't at a top table, but I had Golgotha in my T1 deck (moreso for King David/Widow ignores than TGT, though, since my Herods are royalty, and things like to ignore evil royalty).

lightningninja · « **Reply #135 on:** August 17, 2011, 12:05:30 AM »

I say red/purple is tier 1. You have several different ways to band to David/King David, and the MOST diverse set of battle winners between them, including the never-outdated authority of Christ. You also have 5 negate cards that are also potentially battle winners, and with purple's draw and the new red banding draw hero, it has major draw power. And you can probably get away with making it only about 20 cards. Definitely tier 1 imo.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #136 on:** August 17, 2011, 01:32:42 AM »

I actually don't even use AoCP in my Red/Purple.

The Guardian · « **Reply #137 on:** August 17, 2011, 01:42:07 AM »

Quote from: Master KChief on August 16, 2011, 11:02:58 PM

tgt will continue to be the only s until people decide to actively tech against it. the only golgotha i saw at top tables at nats was used by justin, thats it.

And of course the one game I REALLY needed it (against SirNobody), it never showed up. His 3 non-SoG/NJ rescues were: King David freebie, TGT freebie, King David/AoCP on KoT cuz I still couldn't low block with a Herod...

Of course, Golgotha was in my next draw along with the SoG that would have won the game for me...

SomeKittens · « **Reply #138 on:** September 07, 2011, 10:14:11 AM »

Bump. Can we get defensive tier lists? I'd like to see what other people think.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #139 on:** September 07, 2011, 10:22:19 AM »

It may be too early for "Definitive," but Samuel and Genesis are definitely S tier. Perhaps TGT also, but I haven't seen anyone playing with it so idk. A would look something like Disciples, Red/Purple, Red/Teal, Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Judges.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #140 on:** September 07, 2011, 10:28:31 AM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on September 07, 2011, 10:14:11 AM

Can we get defensive tier lists?

Sorry. I've been reading a lot about all the great offenses, but I haven't seen much other than "Black is weak" and "Egyptians are fast"

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #141 on:** September 07, 2011, 10:33:51 AM »

Top Percentage Tier
Crimson

Weak Tier
Black

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #142 on:** September 07, 2011, 10:35:39 AM »

Brown (either kingdom), Babs, Egyptians, Romans (in a proper hand control deck) are what I'd say is A Tier. Along with chumping, of course.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #143 on:** September 07, 2011, 11:02:59 AM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 10, 2011, 01:24:07 AM

S Tier
Genesis
Samuel
TGT

A Tier
Red/Teal
Red/Purple
FBTNB
Isaiah
Prophets
Disciples

B Tier
Royalty
Choose the Blocker
N.T. Prophets

C Tier
Watchful Servant
Teal
Job

D Tier
Silver
Luke

A Tier looks way too big. I vote for dropping Prophets to B tier, and maybe Disciples or FBTNB as well.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #144 on:** September 07, 2011, 11:10:41 AM »

What really qualifies Disciples for the drop? Nothing in the new set really killed them. FBTNB, I'd say drop.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #145 on:** September 07, 2011, 11:15:46 AM »

Disciples didn't get any help. Power creep dictates that everything else gets better, so if something doesn't get better, they fall behind the others. Tier lists are relative to how good things are.

Master KChief · « **Reply #146 on:** September 07, 2011, 11:24:39 AM »

if everything else weaker than disciples got better but disciples didnt, it could still be weaker or on the same power level as disciples. i dont feel anyone really knows a definitive answer to if disciples is lacking compared to the new archetypes this year simply because i dont think people have been playing disciples in lieu of the newer stuff.

also, s-tier is usually reserved for only one entity.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #147 on:** September 07, 2011, 12:19:39 PM »

Usually, but I think the argument for both Genesis and Samuel can be easily made this season.

The A tier is a little big, because FbtNB doesn't belong on it. Other than that, it's a good thing that it's so big: many more offenses are viable. Genesis and Samuel are the best, but quite a few are playable.

Master KChief · « **Reply #148 on:** September 07, 2011, 12:37:55 PM »

maybe there is no s-tier currently...its many times reserved for the absolute best of the broken. perhaps shift all tiers down 1? then it would make sense to have a big b-tier.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #149 on:** September 07, 2011, 12:55:17 PM »

Possibly, but I think that would send the wrong message in comparative power. Since there are no S defenses, people will see a list of 2 A's and a bunch of B's and think that the B's match up in power with the defensive B's, when actually they're on the same level as the defensive A's.

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