Author Topic: Tier Lists (T1) (Read 35949 times)

cookie monster · « **Reply #50 on:** May 08, 2011, 04:49:18 PM »

I am very interested in this conversation. But what is DI, and what is TGT

Nameless · « **Reply #51 on:** May 08, 2011, 04:51:50 PM »

Di= disiple card
TGT= the gardon tomb

Red · « **Reply #52 on:** May 08, 2011, 05:05:55 PM »

Di:disciples deck not card for this conversation.
TGT:The Garden Tomb.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #53 on:** May 08, 2011, 05:12:03 PM »

Di=Disciples no matter what the context. Sometimes it's referring to the disciples set, if it's clarifying it's not an apostles card that was reprinted. Sometimes it's referring to a disciples deck. Context is everything.

TGT also has both the best characters in the game. Susanna (won the March Madness) and TSA (won the silent vote). TSA fits well because of He is Risen...and there's room for it, haha.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #54 on:** May 08, 2011, 05:24:20 PM »

That's why I think TGT is the best offense. Scared of Unholy Writs/Magic Charms? Splash some silver in with Angel in the Path, Gabriel, and TSA. Need some more speed? Try some purple or teal. Want a different win strategy? Add in Micah, Green Joanna, and Provisions. People Nazzy bugging you? Don't worry about, try Josh the HP with some Teal speed and destruction with Trumpet Blast.

cookie monster · « **Reply #55 on:** May 08, 2011, 09:13:30 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on May 08, 2011, 05:24:20 PM

That's why I think TGT is the best offense. Scared of Unholy Writs/Magic Charms? Splash some silver in with Angel in the Path, Gabriel, and TSA. Need some more speed? Try some purple or teal. Want a different win strategy? Add in Micah, Green Joanna, and Provisions. People Nazzy bugging you? Don't worry about, try Josh the HP with some Teal speed and destruction with Trumpet Blast.

That would make it one big splash deck. I should try that

Professoralstad · « **Reply #56 on:** May 08, 2011, 09:55:28 PM »

I agree that straight TGT>straight Disciples for now, mostly due to the CBN banding, and the fact that HiR is so ridiculously good. Also, TGT can better handle Herods. However, I think that the introduction of Goliath will give Di the edge, solely because any of the Disciples can play AoCP, and Thad might end up making Big G's ability useless near end game. Pretty much the only way a TGT offense could beat a defense with Goliath is being able to pull off a Grail (that threat alone might just make Temple/Altar of Dagon actually played at Nats

) or a Faith in Our High Priest + HiR. Everything else will be negated in one of umpteen ways. If, as Alex suggests, the TGT offense is a splash deck, then Goliath essentially necessitates two CBN battle-winning options for each attack.

As for a few other comments, IMO Zeb>WS. While he has more conditions, a well-built Zeb offense doesn't necessarily have to wait until end game, and he has access to the best Herolite enhancement in the game: Abe's Descendant.

The rest of Alex's points I pretty much agree with, as I have experience with and against all of those offenses, and the list describes my experiences very well.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #57 on:** May 08, 2011, 10:08:57 PM »

I was more just suggesting that TGT can be paired with virtually anything and thus leaves the opponent off balance initially, not encouraging a 6 color offense.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #58 on:** May 09, 2011, 11:18:51 AM »

I've been a TGT fanboy and I'm not sure if I agree. They're close when it comes to speed. Reach = Words. Pentecost = First Fruits. Matt > Susy (but Susy can probably make more rescues beings Matt isn't going to get init.). There's still fishing boat, but I've never gotten to use the draw ability, at least not a large draw. By the time I get any disciples in there it's mid to late game, and that's the time I'd want Thad to rock out.

When it comes to enhancements, He is Risen is still the best enhancement in the game. Magnificat is great too. Boat is okay, but HT can stop it and territories are usually protected from it.

Disciples has a monopoly on characters. The Phillip-Bart band is almost as good as MMoJ's band, but is much easier to get out. Matthew is better than Susy. John is better then John. Thad is better then Redemption Cards. Jo can negate Uzzah, but so does James most of the time.....

The one thing besides He is Risen that TGT has going for it would be the ignore. It still kills small defenses and stand alones, which still seem to be fairly popular.

If you're splashing anything but purple with TGT you're doing something wrong. (Atleast it seems that way to me. I haven't competed in t1 this year. You can mix it with silver like a boss for t2.).

Daniel TS RED · « **Reply #59 on:** May 09, 2011, 11:55:52 AM »

The thing of it is, you can use TGT with straight Di.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #60 on:** May 09, 2011, 12:40:54 PM »

Quote from: Daniel TS RED on May 09, 2011, 11:55:52 AM

The thing of it is, you can use TGT with straight Di.

I've never had much luck with that.

browarod · « **Reply #61 on:** May 09, 2011, 02:32:51 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on May 09, 2011, 11:18:51 AM

If you're splashing anything but purple with TGT you're doing something wrong.

Are we treating Moses as purple now? I don't know any TGT deck that doesn't run Transfig with Moses (and sometimes Elijah).

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #62 on:** May 09, 2011, 05:15:15 PM »

like almost every tgt deck.

Master KChief · « **Reply #63 on:** May 09, 2011, 05:24:20 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on May 09, 2011, 05:15:15 PM

like almost every tgt deck.

qft.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #64 on:** May 09, 2011, 08:11:45 PM »

TGT can be paired with Gold extremely well.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #65 on:** May 09, 2011, 08:52:47 PM »

Luke/John Gold w/ ABOMB is still a favorite of mine. I think it is still viable but I do hate how it helps my opponent draw into what they need. As a Abe's Kid junky I want to add a blue guy or two like Seeker/Soldier and I want to add grey for Scribe (to get back Abe's Kid

) and Casting Lots for Lampstand b/c every ABOMB deck needs Mayhem. I like Fearfulness too but have yet to fit it all in. Grey/Black ABOMB FTW! would this be considered a rougue? ABOMB Variant I suppose...

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #66 on:** May 13, 2011, 05:52:01 PM »

Spoilers, font size, bold, and other things don't appear to be working with the update.

A Tier is now:
The Garden Tomb
Disciples
Watchful Servant
N.T. Prophets

Begin B Tier debating. If I get enough "Disciples are better than TGT!" Than I'll switch, but for now this is what was given.

B Tier:

Fight by the Numbers Banding
Z's Temple
Choose the Blocker
Teal/Red

Master KChief · « **Reply #67 on:** May 13, 2011, 05:55:56 PM »

nt prophets and watchful servant still have yet to prove themselves. combo decks where the win strat relies on a single card has never been a-tier in my book.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #68 on:** May 13, 2011, 05:57:39 PM »

Watchful Servant is the new Zebulun. Zebulun has proved himself. I would have beat you at IA State with a Watchful Servant deck, had I drawn DoN. I really need to cut that deck down...

It wasn't my decision to make N.T. Prophets A Tier...I wanted them in B...

Master KChief · « **Reply #69 on:** May 13, 2011, 06:05:46 PM »

the fact servant is the new zeb still doesnt change my statement. in a meta that is dominated by speed, zeb and servant fire off far too slow before the game is over. i realize servant was a (poorly conceived, imho) soft counter to speed, but speed still has the upperhand in a battle against servant. if a speed deck has burned through its deck to make servant even remotely viable, then the game is usually already won by the speed player since he has all his answers far earlier than the servant player. zeb and servant are novelty decks imo, b-tier at best.

Noah · « **Reply #70 on:** May 13, 2011, 06:17:58 PM »

I agree that Watchful servent should be tier B. Also TGT isn't what it used to be do to Golgatha being everyware. And Teal/Red when played right can do pretty well.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #71 on:** May 13, 2011, 06:27:15 PM »

Quote from: tripleplayNo3 on May 13, 2011, 06:17:58 PM

I agree that Watchful servent should be tier B. Also TGT isn't what it used to be do to Golgatha being everyware. And Teal/Red when played right can do pretty well.

A TGT deck (read: white females) is strong without the ignoring effects of TGT.

Master KChief · « **Reply #72 on:** May 13, 2011, 06:29:55 PM »

agreed, white is insanely strong without tgt. tgt itself is pretty much the icing on the cake. tgt should be s-tier.

Townsend · « **Reply #73 on:** May 13, 2011, 11:06:59 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on May 13, 2011, 06:29:55 PM

agreed, white is insanely strong without tgt. tgt itself is pretty much the icing on the cake. tgt should be s-tier.

Although I agree MmoJ isn't nearly as awesome w/o TGT

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #74 on:** May 13, 2011, 11:41:17 PM »

I agree ws should be b tier. I also think CTB should be C-tier or non existent. I have only seen two all out choose the blocker decks in type 1, one awhile ago and one this year on rts.

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Author Topic: Tier Lists (T1) (Read 35949 times)

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