Author Topic: Tier Lists (T1) (Read 36099 times)

Red · « **Reply #100 on:** August 10, 2011, 09:27:29 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 10, 2011, 09:07:17 AM

Quote from: Red on August 10, 2011, 08:53:50 AM
Well i'm going to run anti thad measures.

Why? With Thad being so thoroughly countered, no one will use him.

Should have said cov with death.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #101 on:** August 10, 2011, 09:28:39 AM »

I'm not sure why fight by the numbers banding is A tier. It's like, terrible now.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #102 on:** August 10, 2011, 09:30:04 AM »

I'm really hesitant at putting Judges/Silver in B Tier. I love them so much...

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 10, 2011, 01:24:07 AM

S Tier
Red Warriors

A Tier
Prophets
The Garden Tomb
Disciples

B Tier
Judges/Silver
Genesis
Royalty
Choose the Blocker
Fight by the Numbers Banding

C Tier
Watchful Servant
Teal
Job

D Tier
Silver
Luke

Moved FBTNB down to B Tier. Why is it terrible now? I figure you can use it with a red splash to make it awesome.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #103 on:** August 10, 2011, 09:32:46 AM »

Canaanites will be a popular defense, and Tower of Thebez laughs at FBTNB. Goliath is splashed, and he laughs at them (except for Abishai, but who is going to use him now?)

Are you placing them in order in tier yet or just in tier?

Job to bottom tier.

Genesis might be A tier material.

Gabe · « **Reply #104 on:** August 10, 2011, 09:46:48 AM »

I can't say for certain what tier Genesis will be but I can guarantee that after a year of being mostly ineffective, Genesis is good again.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #105 on:** August 10, 2011, 09:48:26 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 10, 2011, 09:32:46 AM

Canaanites will be a popular defense, and Tower of Thebez laughs at FBTNB. Goliath is splashed, and he laughs at them (except for Abishai, but who is going to use him now?)

Are you placing them in order in tier yet or just in tier?

Just in tier.

And David. Red laughs at Phillies though. Tower of Thebez is a good point though.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #106 on:** August 10, 2011, 01:14:47 PM »

This thread is beginning to show just how much this set will shake things up. It didn't completely ruin any old dominant strategies, but took them down a notch to allow other themes to compete.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #107 on:** August 10, 2011, 01:53:09 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 10, 2011, 01:14:47 PM

This thread is beginning to show just how much this set will shake things up. It didn't completely ruin any old dominant strategies, but took them down a notch to allow other themes to compete.

Disciples, TGT, Red variants, and prophet variants will probably rule T1 next year.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #108 on:** August 10, 2011, 02:00:38 PM »

I'm guessing Disciples and TGT will be less popular due to new strategies being introduced. I'm playing Judges/Silver because I love Moses. At least, I'll start with Judges/Silver. Probably will end up succumbing to a Red/Purple or Red/Teal deck.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #109 on:** August 10, 2011, 02:05:21 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 10, 2011, 02:00:38 PM

I'm guessing Disciples and TGT will be less popular due to new strategies being introduced. I'm playing Judges/Silver because I love Moses. At least, I'll start with Judges/Silver. Probably will end up succumbing to a Red/Purple or Red/Teal deck.

Disciples/TGT will definitely be less popular. But they both still did fairly well in playtesting, so they'll be around. They'll just be different than previously.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #110 on:** August 10, 2011, 02:05:56 PM »

TGT is going to be gold next year. I can't wait.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #111 on:** August 12, 2011, 11:57:29 PM »

Anyone who said Disciples was the best offense in T1 is wrong apparently. Disciples took 3/10 top ten spots. TGT took 4/10, FBTN took 2/10, and Anti-Meta took 1/10.

Troll me, Nate, Troll me, you know I'm right.

Give me some time to go over next set and I'll tell you what's the best bros

Things I did/was right about this year:

Thaddeus will dominate, especially in T2. I talked him up so hard early (and then totally talked him down later).
I posted the first Disciples Speed deck (credits to someone else for realizing Pharisees though).
TGT is the best offense
Goliath is the best evil character ever. He was everywhere at Nats.

Edit: Sorry, I was having a justification of outlandish statements moment.

Edit2: I have no idea what I am doing and totally made up numbers for what decks. Fixed now.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #112 on:** August 13, 2011, 12:45:02 AM »

One of the top ten was also a FBTNB...

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #113 on:** August 13, 2011, 08:05:06 AM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 13, 2011, 12:45:02 AM

One of the top ten was also a FBTNB...

Oh, right, Martin. I should edit that.

Aelec Enitnel · « **Reply #114 on:** August 13, 2011, 12:50:20 PM »

Normally I would say, "yes! Finally red is getting the respect it deserves!" But I can't because you only giving it that respect because it's "OP" now.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #115 on:** August 14, 2011, 11:14:31 PM »

also I heard there wasnt hardly any di sites seen at NATS. wierd.

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #116 on:** August 14, 2011, 11:16:59 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 13, 2011, 12:45:02 AM

One of the top ten was also a FBTNB...

Thanks for bringing that up bro. Not to mention that same deck won ironman

not to go tootin my own horn, just puttin out there..

Gabe · « **Reply #117 on:** August 14, 2011, 11:18:48 PM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on August 14, 2011, 11:14:31 PM

also I heard there wasnt hardly any di sites seen at NATS. wierd.

That's mostly true for T1-2P. I only saw a few people using them in the top 1/4 of the room. A lot of that might have to do with the fact that they do not help Philistines which was the most popular defense.

Master KChief · « **Reply #118 on:** August 14, 2011, 11:26:43 PM »

can we get an update on the tier lists now after nats? personally i feel the top are:

S Tier
The Garden Tomb (4 out of top 10 at nats)

A Tier
Disciples (3 out of top 10)
Fight by the Numbers Banding (1 out of top 10, smashes though splash/phar/speed defenses)

B.5 Tier
Anti-Meta (1 out of top 10, my money was on this deck taking nats, only thing keeping it from A tier is increased probability of time-outs)

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #119 on:** August 14, 2011, 11:30:58 PM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on August 14, 2011, 11:14:31 PM

also I heard there wasnt hardly any di sites seen at NATS. wierd.

Not really. Whenever speed decks and heavy offense deck are doing well, you don't expect to see slots wasted with defensive cards. Naz is about the only one I expected to see, but when you consider how awesome Philistines are, it's no real surprise Naz didn't show up.

Quote from: Master KChief on August 14, 2011, 11:26:43 PM

S Tier
The Garden Tomb (4 out of top 10 at nats)

A Tier
Disciples (3 out of top 10)
Fight by the Numbers Banding (1 out of top 10, smashes though splash/phar/speed defenses)

B.5 Tier
Anti-Meta (1 out of top 10, my money was on this deck taking nats, only thing keeping it from A tier is increased probability of time-outs)

Anti-meta is more of a deck style than an offense or defense per se. I don't think we can tier it properly. I agree otherwise, especially considering FBTNB got some help this set probably.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #120 on:** August 14, 2011, 11:49:53 PM »

I really didn't have a problem with timing out, although I would have against Tim and John. I agree that it was style though.

TGT also had much higher rankings than Disciples. And Belle was playing it, and she's gosu, so it's obviously the best.

Bobbert · « **Reply #121 on:** August 15, 2011, 10:51:21 AM »

One thing you guys are forgetting. Any offense that relies on a fortress (TGT and Job, I'm looking at you) has several hard counters in the new set. There are multiple cards that drop not only forts, but also arts and sites as well (Assyrian Siege Army probably the most versatile).

Also, you've haven't done the evil tiers yet. The new set gave boosts to several mediocre defenses (Assyrians, Babs, Egyptians), so they have to be redone too.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #122 on:** August 15, 2011, 11:09:13 AM »

That last tier list was the final for this year. The new tier list is more like this:

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 10, 2011, 01:24:07 AM

Bump with new set release to be considered. Here's my initial reaction for the offense:

S Tier
Red Warriors

A Tier
Judges/Silver
Prophets
Fight by the Numbers Banding

B Tier
Genesis
Royalty
The Garden Tomb
Disciples
Choose the Blocker

C Tier
Watchful Servant
Teal
Job

D Tier
Silver
Luke

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #123 on:** August 15, 2011, 11:20:55 AM »

Quote from: Thomas Hunter on August 15, 2011, 10:51:21 AM

One thing you guys are forgetting. Any offense that relies on a fortress (TGT and Job, I'm looking at you) has several hard counters in the new set. There are multiple cards that drop not only forts, but also arts and sites as well (Assyrian Siege Army probably the most versatile).

Keep thinking that. TGT isn't reliant on a fortress. The fortress just breaks an already good offense into top tier.

I'm not concerned at all about Assyrian Siege Army in T1. People would need to play defense in order for him for matter.

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Also, you've haven't done the evil tiers yet. The new set gave boosts to several mediocre defenses (Assyrians, Babs, Egyptians), so they have to be redone too.

TBH, we never updated the defense list for last year because it doesn't matter as much.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #124 on:** August 15, 2011, 11:24:58 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 15, 2011, 11:20:55 AM

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Also, you've haven't done the evil tiers yet. The new set gave boosts to several mediocre defenses (Assyrians, Babs, Egyptians), so they have to be redone too.

TBH, we never updated the defense list for last year because it doesn't matter as much.

Tell that to Trolololol.

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