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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Deck Building & Design => Type 1 Deck Advice => Topic started by: michael/michaelssword on December 05, 2008, 08:54:22 PM
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comments?
Cards in deck: 56
Lost Souls: 8
Lost Soul (*/4)
Lost Soul (anti-burial)
Lost Soul (hopper)
Lost Soul (shuffler)
Lost Soul (Site Discard)
Lost Soul (site doubler)
Lost Soul (Wanderer)
Lost Souls (2-line)
Lamb Dominants: 5
Angel of the Lord
Guardian Of Your Souls
Harvest Time
New Jerusalem
Son of God
Grim Reaper Dominants: 4
Burial
Christian Martyr
Destruction of Nehushtan
Falling Away
Fortresses: 2
Storehouse
Zerubbabel's Temple
Multi-Color Sites: 1
Dragon Raid
Red Sites: 3
Babylon
Babylon
Babylon
Green Sites: 1
Babylonian Banquet Hall
Artifacts: 6
Burial Shroud
Chariot of Fire
Gifts of the Magi
Priestly Crown
The Silver Trumpets
Urim and Thummim
White Covenant Cards: 2
Covenant with Levi (Teal)
Covenant with Phinehas (Teal)
Red Covenant Cards: 1
I am Creator
Multi-Color Heroes: 8
Abiathar (Teal)
Joiada, Son of Eliashib (Teal)
Joiakim, Son of Joshua (Teal)
Joshua the High Priest (Teal)
Melchizedek (purple/teal)
Phinehas, son of Eleazar (Teal)
Seraiah the High Priest (Teal)
Zechariah (green/teal)
Green Heroes: 2
Haggai
Hur
Purple Heroes: 1
Ethiopian Treasurer
Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 9
Burning Incense (Teal)
Filling Zerubbabel's Temple (Teal)
Holy unto the Lord (Teal)
Jehoiada's Strength (Teal)
Jordan Interrupted (Teal)
Pentecost
Scapegoat (Teal)
Trumpet Blast (Teal)
Zeal for the Lord (Teal)
Green Hero Enhancements: 2
Plague of Frogs
Search
Purple Hero Enhancements: 1
Authority of Christ
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Speed fails! Naw but seriously. This looks more teal, less speed.
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That was my first thought; expand your purple, and add at least a little defense (Ex: 4 cards - KoT, PotW, PotA, & Red Dragon). Also, where are Hopper & Harvest Time? It needs some tweaking.
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I would take out P Spear, and PP. I would also add Hopper and HT.
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That was my first thought; expand your purple, and add at least a little defense (Ex: 4 cards - KoT, PotW, PotA, & Red Dragon). Also, where are Hopper & Harvest Time? It needs some tweaking.
I would use a different "little" defense. King of Tyrus, Uzzah (2 characters that can successfully block), Sabbath Breaker (draw more? yes please), and either The Amalekites Slave (Put a LS in their territory) or 12Fingered Giant (stops banding, which beats KOT fbn).
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I was just jotting something down; I don't really care what he puts for the defense, I just think he needs one, and it should probably be small.
12Fingered Giant (stops banding, which beats KOT fbn).
Are you kidding me? You would rather have someone who negates banding than someone who negates everything (and has significantly higher offense numbers)?
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Hmm, maybe that wasn't worded correctly. I said he should have in KOT, I was just noting that against a FBN banding chain though, 12 Fingered Giant is better than KOT because 10/12 won't beat a 16/15 (Jacob + Captain) or higher and 12 Fingered Giant can.
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This looks like a not too shaby Teal deck, but not at all a speed deck.
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Yes, that's true, but if you're choosing between the two, I'd definitely choose KoT.
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actually its beend drawing exceptionally well one game i drew my full deck in 5 turns
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Hey, isn't this the deck you played against me and I beat you, like, 5-1? (By the way, sorry for that connection failure in the "rematch.")
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yup but i was locked out thats the only reason
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Also, you had absolutely no defense, so pretty much any time I made a rescue, you just gave me a Lost Soul. YOU NEED SOME DEFENSE! Here's a sample of one you could use:
14 cards:
EC's (7)
King of Tyrus
Prince of the Air
Prince of this World
Red Dragon
Seven Sons of Sceva
Seven Wicked Spirits
Trembling Demon
Enhancements (4)
Deafening Spirit
Lying Unto God
Torment
Worshipping Demons
Supporting Cards (3)
Holy of Holies (ironically - for TD)
Household Idols (for Prince and Worshipping Demons)
KotW (obviously, for protection, especially from your own AoC - works well with SWS)
I use defenses like this a lot, and they work pretty well, besides being quite small. This is just a rough draft, and you could trim it if you wanted. Or, you know, you could just add sites. :dunno:
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updatde and i like my no defense thing>.>
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im still confused by your characters but the deck looks faster
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You need parmenas and aoc.
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im still confused by your characters but the deck looks faster
explain pleasse
@Red Parmenas would be a waste to me since I will have a huge hand more than likely and AoCP is'nt realy what I want in here
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Sabbath Breaker and False Peace, might not block, but go get one of those much needed dominants. I will take two please.
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Drop Book of Hozai for First Fruits.
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Awww no more defenseless :(
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How do you play words of encouragement or book of hozai? I'd take them out for more stuff, but since you only have teal heroes, you're pretty limited. IT's really not speed, it's a "fast" teal deck. And any heavy defense/heroless would easily swat it down. You don't have that many battle winners, and if they just kill Mel, then you lost your best one of all.
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im still confused by your characters but the deck looks faster
explain pleasse
Well...it isn't speed, frankly.This deck is just a teal deck with no defense and a few drawing cards....It's weird! o_O
This looks more teal, less speed.
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How do you play words of encouragement or book of hozai?
Table of Showbread
However, I agree with everyone else that this isn't really a speed deck.
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From what I've picked up about Speed, I think you need a lot of drawing, and with certain combos so that you can draw your entire deck in just a turn or two. Cards like Joiada (with Pentecost) help, but he also makes you lose a turn in which you could have made a rescue attempt. Although I haven't played too many speed decks myself, I'm pretty sure most of the successful ones are purple brigade (maybe with some mix)....Come to think of it, though, I have never seen a dissected Speed deck before....Could someone point me in the right direction?
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Cards like Joiada (with Pentecost) help, but he also makes you lose a turn in which you could have made a rescue attempt.
You don't have to play Pentecost immediately... you can RA with Joiada and play Pentecost at the end of your turn.
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Here's the deck that made Speed famous. Justin used it to win T1-MP at Nationals in 2004. The decklist was found at http://www.freewebs.com/redemptionne/
Builder: Justin "The Guardian" Alstad
Place Used: 2004 National Tournament
Performance: First Place
Cards: 56
Type: Level 1 - Multiplayer
Lost Soul(II Chronicles 28:13) Hopper
Lost Soul(Psalm 1:4) Site
Lost Souls(Proverbs 22:14) 2-line
Lost Soul(Jeremiah 7:18) Female
Lost Soul(Ezekiel 31:14) Shuffler
Lost Soul(Acts 11:18) New Testament
2x Lost Soul(?) Generic
Storehouse
Dragon Raid
Burial Shroud
Gifts of the Magi
Holy of Holies
Tables of the Law
Angel of the Lord
Guadian of Your Souls
Harvest Time
New Jerusalem
Son of God
Brass Serpent(Promo)
Coat of Many Colors
Claudia
Jacob
Book of Hozai
Book of Jashar
Stillness
Third Heaven
Simeon(Warriors)
Zaccheus
Ambush the City
Highway
Mary's Prophetic Act
The Acts of Solomon
Hur
Search
Visions of Iddo the Seer
Ethiopian Treasurer
Lois
Authority of Christ(Promo)
Great Faith
Prosperity
Reach of Desperation
Trust
Captain of the Host(Warriors)
Lydia
Maharai(Warriors)
Lost Coin Found
Love at First Sight
Moses and Elders
Words of Encouragement
Burial
Christian Martyr
Destruction of Nehushtan
Falling Away
King Rehoboam
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Ah, thank you. I will review that.
You don't have to play Pentecost immediately... you can RA with Joiada and play Pentecost at the end of your turn.
You can? I thought you had to play it either during prep phase or during battle. :scratch:
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Joiakim uses enhancements of any brigade>.>
updated sorta revised
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If its defensless remove sab breaker for Pofrogs.
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I like the new name ;) although I agree Sabbath Breaker is a little out of place.
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what should I replace Sabbath breaker with? Zacheus...yah I'll add in zacheus
updated now its a powerhouse
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PURPLE WITH AOCP :doh: :maul:
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You only have two fortresses; if you want a fortress searcher, I would suggest Haggai, especially since you already have a green character.
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OUT:
Zaccheus (no backup for him; you'll lose the rescue unless you have AoTL)
Perpetual Priesthood (Holy Unto the Lord is better)
Phinehas' Spear (Authority of Christ is better)
Book of Hozai (doesn't allow you to play the next enhancement)
Babylon (you only need three Babylon plus BBH to hold all your LS)
IN:
Haggai (searches for Z-Temple)
Covenant with Levi (you need more site access than DR, especially with Pergamum)
Holy Unto the Lord (in a deck without Evil Characters, you should absolutely have this card)
Authority of Christ (P) (..obvious reasons)
Plague of Frogs (backup for Hur/Haggai)
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I agree, except I don't know about AoC; you can't use it with Table of Showbread (NT), so the only one you can use it with is Melchizidek. Here's my opinion:
OUT:
Zaccheus
Perpetual Priesthood
Phinehas' Spear
Book of Hozai
Words of Encouragement
Table of Showbread
Babylon
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Zechariah (Teal/Green)
Haggai
Covenant with Levi
Holy Unto the Lord
Authority of Christ (P)
Plague of Frogs
Widow
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+1
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OUT:
Zaccheus (no backup for him; you'll lose the rescue unless you have AoTL) agree
Perpetual Priesthood (Holy Unto the Lord is better) agree
Phinehas' Spear (Authority of Christ is better) only one guy to use him with so its pointless to me
Book of Hozai (doesn't allow you to play the next enhancement) yes it does
Babylon (you only need three Babylon plus BBH to hold all your LS) agree
IN:
Haggai (searches for Z-Temple) agree
Covenant with Levi (you need more site access than DR, especially with Pergamum) agree
Holy Unto the Lord (in a deck without Evil Characters, you should absolutely have this card) agree
Authority of Christ (P) (..obvious reasons) only one guy to use him with so its pointless to me
Plague of Frogs (backup for Hur/Haggai) agree
Widow agree
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updated with those changes
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WIDOW WITH AOC GOT IT.
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hey stop acting like you know everything from appearanece your some new 11 yr old kid. I've been playing for awhile I'll take advice but don't yell at me to put something in that I dont want to. And widow and AoCP I don't want to put in.
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It works, trust me.
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I've been playing for 3 years and i know a i lot. AND YOUR MEAN!
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I've been playing for 3 years and i know a i lot. AND YOUR MEAN!
Yes, he is mean. But you shoudln't keep talking in all caps. He probably interprets that as you yelling or putting lots of emphasis on everything. I personally think widow+aocp(it should be the promo, by the way RED) is overated. Good job, Caleb, don't give into the cliche' majority!
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Book of Hozai (doesn't allow you to play the next enhancement) yes it does
Ah yes, I was thinking that it doesn't interrupt the battle. Thanks.
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I personally think widow+aocp(it should be the promo, by the way RED) is overated. Good job, Caleb, don't give into the cliche' majority!
What do you think he should change, then?
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thanks fireninja.
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I just don't see Widow and AoCP and Widow working in thisd eck mainly because that gives me 2 people to use it on >.> not very good:
don't speak and caps and I wont think you're yelling.And dont say "get it! that makes you sound bossy
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Talk to JSB23; his deck was kind of like this and I believe he won second place at the MN state tourament.
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If you really want to use primarily teal for your offense, go ahead, but AoCP is extremely useful in this kind of deck. I suggest you find a way to work it in. Defenseless decks are boring and cliché though, offenseless is the way to go to be cool.
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If you really want to use primarily teal for your offense, go ahead, but AoCP is extremely useful in this kind of deck. I suggest you find a way to work it in. Defenseless decks are boring and cliché though, offenseless is the way to go to be cool.
ok Mr.RR
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If you really want to use primarily teal for your offense, go ahead, but AoCP is extremely useful in this kind of deck. I suggest you find a way to work it in. Defenseless decks are boring and cliché though, offenseless is the way to go to be cool.
ok Mr.RR
RR does heroless, I do offenseless. There's a difference.
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I just don't see Widow and AoCP and Widow working in thisd eck mainly because that gives me 2 people to use it on >.> not very good:
don't speak and caps and I wont think you're yelling.And dont say "get it! that makes you sound bossy
Soo... you're okay with having two enhancements (Book of Hozai and Words of Encouragement) that only work on one Hero, and only when Z-Temple is out, but you aren't okay with having a battlewinner that works on two Heroes (Widow and Melchizedek)? ;)
Granted, you have Table of Showbread for that, but one quick DoN and you have several cards that are unplayable.
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He can use book of Hozai on any priest once he has table of showbread out. He cannot use aocp on any priest.
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If you really want to use primarily teal for your offense, go ahead, but AoCP is extremely useful in this kind of deck. I suggest you find a way to work it in. Defenseless decks are boring and cliché though, offenseless is the way to go to be cool.
ok Mr.RR
RR does heroless, I do offenseless. There's a difference.
Yes there is. Heroless can win the game with 5 ls. Offenseless cannot.
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He can use book of Hozai on any priest once he has table of showbread out. He cannot use aocp on any priest.
Those enhancements are still much more out of place than AoCP; you might as well just get rid of them (along with ToS) in the first place, and put in something more useful.
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they play with joiada/melchizedeck and any priest with table of showbread AoCP only on 2 guys
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yup but i was locked out thats the only reason
How'd ya get locked out? you OVERDO site access :-\ ???
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I decied to add acessafterwards :(
updated with whats that :-* AoCP and widow
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I decided to switch Widow for ET
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Good,good.
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Prosperity out for Iacreator.
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You know, I'm thinking maybe Plague of Frogs out for Provisions; it's way cooler. :thumbup:
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Oh good idea, and add doubt. it speeds up the deck, allows ctb with haggai banded to someone else.
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I like the changes so far, here's a few more to consider:
OUT:
Table of Showbread
Book of Hozai
Priestly Crown
IN:
Zechariah (Teal/Green)
Provisions
Search
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Well, almost all of us agree that at least you should take out Table of Showbread and company to make room for more green support.
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out with the teal in with green and purple.
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provisions with a defenseless deck? really? explain>.>
updated with the recommended stuff except the doubt part wich doesnt make since to me right now
and the name is now Teal powerhouse/defenseless
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provisions with a defenseless deck? really? explain>.>
updated with the recommended stuff except the doubt part wich doesnt make since to me right now
and the name is now Teal powerhouse/defenseless
It lets you draw 2 cards after two turns, as well as letting you choose the blocker. Normally you use a small character in a brigade you don't think your opponent will be using so they just die, or you can choose something you have initiative against, like a large or immune character.
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maybe but I just don't see that working in a deck where I could just as well play a interupt
care to explain Doubt theory?
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maybe but I just don't see that working in a deck where I could just as well play a interupt
care to explain Doubt theory?
You don't use Provisions in battle, you use it during your prep phase or discard phase. It gives you extra drawing and CtB apart from playing enhancements in battle.
**edit** I think RR is saying to use Doubt to block when you're choosing with Provisions, as Orange isn't the most popular defensive brigade and it has large defense so you can get initiative. I'm not absolutely sure though. **edit**
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I still don't think I'll use that but I may add DOubt for jusft a EC
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Provisions can be useful when you can beat most of their ECs but need to avoid a certain one that you can't beat. Maybe you just need one more LS, but they have Uzzah and you have no way to get around him. That's when choosing the blocker (even if it's one of theirs) can come in handy.
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okkk so doubt and provisions are oging in but what to take out?
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What are the sites about? If your heroes are going to be doing a lot of drawing, then sites might not be the best idea for this deck; just throw in something - KoT is never a bad idea, and a little PotW would go nicely with that. Those two can get you pretty far, and SSoS helps, too.
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Priestly Crown and the 1/1 out for Doubt/provisions
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I'd also pull The Silver Trumpets; this deck will probably never want to withdraw from battle, and you have enough banding as it is. Maybe put Reach of Desperation back in for more drawing, now that you have a few purple characters?
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I'd also pull The Silver Trumpets; this deck will probably never want to withdraw from battle, and you have enough banding as it is. Maybe put Reach of Desperation back in for more drawing, now that you have a few purple characters?
Actually I've run into trouble with the banding my whole offense really revolves around the enhancements and only Haggai and joiakim or joiada band.
Also when up against a KoT situation Its nice insurance to with draw + its the only art that can go into Z's tmeplle so its not stopping me from having other arts up
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Priestly Crown and the 1/1 out for Doubt/provisions
alrighty I'lll update it tonight *gone be gone for awhile* any other suggestions?