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Re: Tabernacle Priest / House of Eleazar Deck (TabEl)
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2017, 09:38:29 PM »
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I figured that was the situation from the older threads I've found. A guy can dream though ::)

No doubt it would be amazing for game play purposes! ;)
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Re: Tabernacle Priest / House of Eleazar Deck (TabEl)
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2017, 01:05:26 AM »
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Yeah, Kidron in the main deck is probably your best bet. Also, I think Aaron/Moses is too good to not have so I think some rearranging of the Heroes would be good. Probably take out Zadok for Aaron and squeeze Moses in some other way. Especially since you're running Eli's Sound Advice.

I'd also switch Joshua in for Holy Unto the Lord. Since you'll only be using HUtL situationally then having it in the Reserve with easy Tabernacle access is the way to go. With no multi-brigade sites I would definitely run Ithamar, son of Aaron (I think he searches for The Tabernacle or a Tabernacle artifact) over Reverance and Awe. These days removing your opponent's discard pile is too risky. It can be sneaky if they use Covenant of Prayer early but usually you won't want to wait to get The Tabernacle out. Either Ithamar or Pentecost would be better, but Pentecost and possibly First Fruits should go in either way. Priests are too slow to not have the drawing set-asides.

So Ithamar only grabs the Tabernacle, and ONLY from the deck
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Re: Tabernacle Priest / House of Eleazar Deck (TabEl)
« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2017, 11:18:35 AM »
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Running a card for the purpose of searching out only a single card in your deck is generally inconsistent because there is a roughly 50% chance you draw them in the wrong order. Reverence and Awe gets around this problem by being able to search for Tabernacle or Ends of the Earth so it's much more likely you'll get value from it. The discard pile removal is also a may so you can just choose not to do it if they haven't used Covenant with Prayer yet.

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Re: Tabernacle Priest / House of Eleazar Deck (TabEl)
« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2017, 11:53:55 AM »
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Running a card for the purpose of searching out only a single card in your deck is generally inconsistent because there is a roughly 50% chance you draw them in the wrong order. Reverence and Awe gets around this problem by being able to search for Tabernacle or Ends of the Earth so it's much more likely you'll get value from it. The discard pile removal is also a may so you can just choose not to do it if they haven't used Covenant with Prayer yet.

Rev&Awe could grab Kidron Valley as well. Melchizedek and Aaron's Staff do some soul Gen without EotE. Think it would be smart to cut Mel for EotE?
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Re: Tabernacle Priest / House of Eleazar Deck (TabEl)
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2017, 12:00:34 PM »
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Running a card for the purpose of searching out only a single card in your deck is generally inconsistent because there is a roughly 50% chance you draw them in the wrong order. Reverence and Awe gets around this problem by being able to search for Tabernacle or Ends of the Earth so it's much more likely you'll get value from it. The discard pile removal is also a may so you can just choose not to do it if they haven't used Covenant with Prayer yet.

Rev&Awe could grab Kidron Valley as well. Melchizedek and Aaron's Staff do some soul Gen without EotE. Think it would be smart to cut Mel for EotE?

R&A cannot get Kidron, it only gets multi-brigade sites or good Forts. EotE isn't for soul gen most of the time, in fact it isn't even good long term soul gen since while it does often bring out a soul that turn, it topdecks the same cards and thus stacks the opponents next couple draws to not have souls. The strength of EotE is the same as using the Lawless lost soul on yourself: it generates free cards. Same for Melk, when I play this deck I will be using EotE, Melk, and Imitate+Lawless all on myself most of the time to generate 3 extra cards every turn.

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Re: Tabernacle Priest / House of Eleazar Deck (TabEl)
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2017, 08:29:19 PM »
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REVISED DECKLIST:
LS (7)
Lawless
Humble
Protector/Promo
Open Hands
Punisher
Dull
Imitate

DOM (7)

SoG
TSC
AotL
Grapes
3 Woes
Falling Away (CoW)
CM

ART/FORT (7)
Covenant of Prayer
The Tabernacle (Nats)
Aaron’s Staff (CoW)
Ark of the Covenant (RoJ)
Seventh Seal (RoJ)
Urim and Thummim
Ends of the Earth (RoJ)

DAE (1)
Seventh Bowl of Wrath

HERO (8)
Eleazar, Son of Aaron (PC)
Melchizedek (CoW)
Eli the Priest (Promo)
Dutiful Priest
Phineas, son of Eleazar
Aaron (Di)
Moses (FBTN)
Joshua the High Priest

GE (7)
Gifts and Offerings
Sword of the Lord (CoW)
Eli’s Sound Advice
Not Alone
Zeal for the Lord
Pentecost
Holy Unto the Lord

EC (7)
The Deceiver
Foreign Wives
Sabbath Breaker
Fire Foxes
Emperor Vitellius
Messenger of Satan
Foreign Spearman

EE (8)
Seized by Rioters
Scattered
Paying Taxes
Plot to Kill
Namaan’s Chariot and Horses
Joseph in Prison
Abandonment
Romans Destroy Jerusalem

RESERVE (10)
Emperor Claudius
High Priest Ananias
Uzzah
Seraiah the High Priest
Trumpet Blast
Jehoiada’s Strength
Trumpet and Sword
First Fruits
Outsiders (black and gold)
Emperor Domitian

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Re: Tabernacle Priest / House of Eleazar Deck (TabEl)
« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2017, 04:45:04 PM »
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My bad on Ithamar. I misremembered the ability but I do remember using him in an old Tabernacle priest deck but I think that was mostly because it used The Silver Trumpets with Ahimelek and Ithamar gives great initiative. (I think this was also back when TST was considered a Tabernacle artifact :P ).

The only thing that comes to mind right away with your updated list is that I think you'd be better off with First Fruits in the main deck and Holy Unto the Lord in the Reserve. Holy Unto the Lord, as I mentioned before, is generally best for an end-game attack since it leaves you mostly defense-less. With CoP being your only way to get First Fruits out, I think switching those two would make your Reserve more effective. Sure, it takes out the surprise if you grab HUtL with The Tabernacle, but with the right planning it shouldn't matter much.

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Re: Tabernacle Priest / House of Eleazar Deck (TabEl)
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2017, 10:05:09 PM »
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My bad on Ithamar. I misremembered the ability but I do remember using him in an old Tabernacle priest deck but I think that was mostly because it used The Silver Trumpets with Ahimelek and Ithamar gives great initiative. (I think this was also back when TST was considered a Tabernacle artifact :P ).

The only thing that comes to mind right away with your updated list is that I think you'd be better off with First Fruits in the main deck and Holy Unto the Lord in the Reserve. Holy Unto the Lord, as I mentioned before, is generally best for an end-game attack since it leaves you mostly defense-less. With CoP being your only way to get First Fruits out, I think switching those two would make your Reserve more effective. Sure, it takes out the surprise if you grab HUtL with The Tabernacle, but with the right planning it shouldn't matter much.

I keep forgetting its a single-bridage teal card ;) That is a great recommendation haha
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Re: Tabernacle Priest / House of Eleazar Deck (TabEl)
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2017, 04:04:23 PM »
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Ithamar actually does a little more than you think. He activates *any* artifact on Tabernacle when he enters battle. This lets you use Broken Covenant  with YWR or whatever other artifact for a D3. Furthermore with his great initiative he can use Holy into the Lord after activating Bronze Laver to cycle the evil.
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Re: Tabernacle Priest / House of Eleazar Deck (TabEl)
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2017, 04:10:11 PM »
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Ithamar actually does a little more than you think. He activates *any* artifact on Tabernacle when he enters battle. This lets you use Broken Covenant  with YWR or whatever other artifact for a D3. Furthermore with his great initiative he can use Holy into the Lord after activating Bronze Laver to cycle the evil.

I was curious about that Ithamar interaction myself a while ago and found this thread: http://www.cactusforums.com/ruling-questions/ithamar/msg362360/#msg362360

It doesn't look like it's possible to put artifacts in Tabernacle that couldn't normally be put there. It is a pretty old thread though, has the ruling changed since then?

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Re: Tabernacle Priest / House of Eleazar Deck (TabEl)
« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2017, 05:49:12 PM »
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While I'm definitely NOT trying to reignite the debate contained in the Ithamar thread, the logician in me compels me to point out the flaw in comparing Ithamar trying to activate a non-Temple art on The Tabernacle with ET trying to play a GE whose brigade is not in battle.  An actual apples-to-apples comparison would be The Tabernacle vs. Matthias (TEC). 

Both of these cards allow the holder to do use/hold cards they wouldn't be allowed to by game rule.

In The Tabernacle's case, you can now activate a Tabernacle artifact on it, irrespective of your art pile (how arts are activated by game rule).

In Matthias' case, you can now play Purple GEs on him, irrespective of his actual brigades (how enhancements are played by game rule).

If granting the ability to perform a subset of game actions not normally allowed via game rule precludes you from performing any other actions comprising that broader "game action" set, then Matthias should not be able to play any GEs except those that are Purple. 
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Re: Tabernacle Priest / House of Eleazar Deck (TabEl)
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2017, 05:54:12 PM »
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In regards to the actual decklist is try and run Every Tribe. He doesn't fit the mold of HoE or Tabernacle priests but he is amazing with priests and melchizedek is also a king which makes every tribe able to take full use of it's abilities.

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Re: Tabernacle Priest / House of Eleazar Deck (TabEl)
« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2017, 05:59:48 PM »
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While I'm definitely NOT trying to reignite the debate contained in the Ithamar thread, the logician in me compels me to point out the flaw in comparing Ithamar trying to activate a non-Temple art on The Tabernacle with ET trying to play a GE whose brigade is not in battle.  An actual apples-to-apples comparison would be The Tabernacle vs. Matthias (TEC). 

Both of these cards allow the holder to do use/hold cards they wouldn't be allowed to by game rule.

In The Tabernacle's case, you can now activate a Tabernacle artifact on it, irrespective of your art pile (how arts are activated by game rule).

In Matthias' case, you can now play Purple GEs on him, irrespective of his actual brigades (how enhancements are played by game rule).

If granting the ability to perform a subset of game actions not normally allowed via game rule precludes you from performing any other actions comprising that broader "game action" set, then Matthias should not be able to play any GEs except those that are Purple.

I agree, hopefully the comprehensive play-as will have Ithamar specify a Tabernacle Artifact.

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Re: Tabernacle Priest / House of Eleazar Deck (TabEl)
« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2017, 11:03:34 AM »
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Nice deck concept.  I believe with my extra cards I can get close to this...may have to Trade not buy a few
 Cards...hhmm gotta dig through my extras.




 


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