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Tabernacle - help me cut down!
« on: August 06, 2017, 02:43:36 PM »
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Hey everyone!
Now that Nats is over and Tabernacle is a card, I've been looking towards building a Tabernacle Priest deck. Originally I was going to pair it with demons, since they've got so much new stuff and the classic Laver/Gates draw engine still exists, but this build uses Pharisees/Sadducees.
I've always been terrible with trimming my decks down after I build them (this is the same guy that used to run a 63 card prophets deck with the main drawing being Isaiah with 3 angels and 2kH). This deck is currently 63 cards with 10 cards in reserve. I'd like to cut it down to 57 cards (8 souls, 8 doms). Any advice on what fat to trim would be much appreciated!

8 Souls
Imitate
Humble
Dull
Punisher
Lawless
Darkness
Gain
Promo

8 Doms
Son of God
New Jerusalem*
Angel
Grapes
Glory of the Lord
Destruction of Nehushtan*
Martyr
Falling Away*
(*will be replaced with Second Coming, Three Woes, and FA(CoW) when I get them)

6 Covs/Arts
Covenant with Gabe
Seventh Seal
Eternal Covenant
Aaron's Staff
Urim and Thummim
Ark of the Covenant (RoJ)

2 Sites/Forts
Prison
Tabernacle

13 Heroes
Phineas, son of Eleazar
Eleazar, son of Aaron
Aaron
Moses (Wa)
Melchizedek
Eli the Priest
Joshua the High Priest
Abiathar
Dutiful Priest
David the Shepherd
Ahimalek the Hittite

8 GEs
Pentecost
First Fruits
Gifts and Offerings
Scapegoat
Zeal for the Lord
Not Alone
Counsel of Abigail

10 Evil Characters
Sabbath Breaker
Emperor Domitian
Proud Pharisee
The Entrapping Pharisees
The Sanhedrin
Scribe
The Chief Priests
Temple Guard
Outsiders (Black/Gold)
Firefoxes
The Deceiver

9 EEs
Net
Seized by Rioters
Seek and Destroy
Plot to Kill
Seize Him!
Scattered
Arrest in Jerusalem
Pretension
Gamaliel's Speech
Seventh Bowl of Wrath

Reserve:
The Silver Trumpets
Trumpet and Sword
Trumpet Blast
Holy unto the Lord
High Priest Ananias
Disbelieving Sadducees
The Plotting Pharisees
Foreign Wives
Uzzah
Gomer

Cards I'd like to add but don't currently have (and need to make room for):
Ends of the Earth
You Will Remain

Cards I'd like to fit in but don't know what to take out:
Temple Priests
Jordan Interrupted
Jehoiada's Strength
Covenant with Phineas OR Altar of Incense
Women as Snares (Reserve)
Balaam's Disobedience
Stone of Thebez

Having played a few games with the deck at 63 cards, I've added Eternal Covenant to allow wider recursion of heroes than just searching Phineas and Joshua with Eleazar, effectively allowing me to use heroes as Tabernacle fodder. Most of my rescues tend to be with either Phineas, Abiathar, or Dutiful Priest, but the other Tabernacle heroes are still necessary for Aaron's Staff. Doeg has, unsurprisingly, been a pain, and Zeal is the only interrupt (Gam's Speech and Scapegoat fill the role of negates in battle, but don't work against Doeg), meaning if I don't have it yet attacking with anyone other than Abiathar is suicide.

I noticed that I seemed to be running out of evil enhancements for the defense, which is odd because I was underdecking Net and Scattered with Scribe.

Any advice? What do I cut?
« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 12:39:51 AM by Thomas Hunter »
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Re: Tabernacle - help me cut down!
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2017, 02:58:29 PM »
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I've played a decent amount of priests in the past and burning incense/grain offering are not cards I've had loads of success with. Immunity on offense is nice on a character but doesn't directly contribute to removing the blocker and thus isn't as effectient as an enhancement you plan to play in battle needs to be these days. With burning incense, ignore technically can win a battle but does give the opponent free reign to drop all their annoying evil enhancements before just negating the ignore. Both of them also require initiative and don't interrupt so they can be awkward to play. This is especially true for grain offering because if you have initiative to play it, you are likely not large enough to win by numbers and have to commit a second enhancement to actually win the battle.

Edit: I just noticed you have altar to make burning incense CBN but I would recommend cutting some arts, altar included.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2017, 03:10:25 PM by Kevinthedude »

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Re: Tabernacle - help me cut down!
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2017, 03:17:13 PM »
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Those are good points. The main reason that Grain Offering was in there was Dutiful Priest, but you are right about numbers so G&O and Scapegoat should be enough for him, especially with Tabernacle. If I end up taking out Altar of Incense I will definitely take out Burning Incense, but I personally think the CBN ignore is worth infinite initiative (especially if I have Gam's Speech in play). Still, it's higher on the chopping block.
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Re: Tabernacle - help me cut down!
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2017, 12:44:42 AM »
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I trimmed the deck to 63 cards and updated the original post. AFter a few playtest games, I've added Eternal Covenant to allow wider recursion of heroes than just searching Phineas and Joshua with Eleazar, effectively allowing me to use heroes as Tabernacle fodder. Most of my rescues tend to be with either Phineas, Abiathar, or Dutiful Priest, but the other Tabernacle heroes are still necessary for Aaron's Staff. Doeg has, unsurprisingly, been a pain, and Zeal is the only interrupt (Gam's Speech and Scapegoat fill the role of negates in battle, but don't work against Doeg), meaning if I don't have it yet attacking with anyone other than Abiathar is suicide.
I noticed that I seemed to be running out of evil enhancements for the defense, which is odd because I was underdecking Net and Scattered with Scribe. Does anyone know if there's more OT black capture enhancements beyond Net (for Temple Guard and Scribe)?

I do think that when I get an Ends it will be incredibly helpful, particularly considering the aforementioned Zeal needs. I'm almost considering moving Zeal to Reserve for easier access with Tabernacle, but I would miss it if I need to make a rescue before I draw Tabernacle/Glory.
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Re: Tabernacle - help me cut down!
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2017, 12:56:26 AM »
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Does anyone know if there's more OT black capture enhancements beyond Net (for Temple Guard and Scribe)?

Lackey is wonderful for answering these kinds of questions, just filter by brigade and by words you want the special ability to contain to pull up a complete list of them! I didn't find any other O.T. black capture enhancements but there are some N.T. ones that Temple Guard can use even if they can't be recurred with Scribe. If your defense loses enough that you need to recur lots of enhancements though you probably lost the game anyway.

I think the root of your problem is you are trying to go in too many different directions you have standard priests with the Moses package and David package. Part of why this happens is teal is a very lacking brigade right now and it's hard to build a straight teal deck but I think you're going to need to find one or two whole packages of cards to drop.

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Re: Tabernacle - help me cut down!
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2017, 09:21:37 AM »
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+1 I had similar thoughts as well regarding the number of directions you were trying to go.
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