Author Topic: Strong 16 card defense? (Read 4243 times)

Mr.Hiatus · « **on:** April 06, 2011, 11:24:20 PM »

I would like to hear suggestions, and reasons, for what is a top defense that is 16 cards. It can't be Herod's though.

browarod · « **Reply #1 on:** April 06, 2011, 11:42:33 PM »

I think a Philistine defense could fit in 16 cards. Not sure, though.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #2 on:** April 06, 2011, 11:44:42 PM »

Whenever I hear the word defense I auto-suggest pharisees.

Isildur · « **Reply #3 on:** April 06, 2011, 11:50:39 PM »

Pharies, Magicians, Sads, Philies well pretty much anything can fit in 16 cards depending on what you want to do with the defense.

christiangamer25 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 06, 2011, 11:54:48 PM »

rofl

SomeKittens · « **Reply #5 on:** April 07, 2011, 01:05:57 AM »

Phillies with a Sadd splash for inish.

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #6 on:** April 07, 2011, 01:11:28 AM »

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rofl

Try to post something positive, or your suggestion please, not just a rofl b/c I said no Herod's. And just a heads up, I said no Herod's b/c I am using them already and have 16 spots open on defense. Please refrain from posting things like that.
Anyway I appreciate all of the input, but it is all the same- Phillies/Pharisees. I thought about Magicians, they look solid for 16 cards, Sads don't seem strong enough IMO. Any others?

Isildur · « **Reply #7 on:** April 07, 2011, 01:43:56 AM »

Well there is always the option of just a "mono" color defense with no theme in it I have done this before with Pale Green, Black and Grey with some success.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #8 on:** April 07, 2011, 09:10:20 AM »

I have a 16 card Kings of Judah defense that works pretty well. It just has brown in it, but it has both ways to auto block and ways to recur enhancements, as well as natural CBN. I like it very much, although it doesn't really complement the offense I paired it with. It also could probably be more or less cards if you change your deck.

redemptioncousin · « **Reply #9 on:** April 07, 2011, 10:07:31 AM »

Demons/Phillies works wonders. ...and very few enhancements required.

Korunks · « **Reply #10 on:** April 07, 2011, 10:12:23 AM »

Quote from: redemptioncousin on April 07, 2011, 10:07:31 AM

Demons/Phillies works wonders. ...and very few enhancements required.

I would be interested in seeing what a phillie/demon defense looks like. Care to elaborate more?

Gabe · « **Reply #11 on:** April 07, 2011, 10:29:35 AM »

This is the 16 card defense used in the National winning Teams decks. It should translate fairly well into T1-2P also.

Philistine Outpost
The Gates of Hell
Philistine Garrison
The Twelve-Fingered Giant
Philistine Armor Bearer
Gomer
Seven Sons of Sceva
King of Tyrus
Prince of this World
Prince of the Air
Fallen Angel
Wandering Spirit
Bringing Fear
Land Dispute
Deafening Spirit
Worshipping Demons

Professoralstad · « **Reply #12 on:** April 07, 2011, 10:44:20 AM »

Quote from: Mr.Hiatus on April 06, 2011, 11:24:20 PM

I would like to hear suggestions, and reasons, for what is a top defense that is 16 cards. It can't be Herod's though.

The best defenses are ones that work well with the offense...so what's your offense?

Otherwise, I'd agree that Phillies/Demons is the way to go for that size of a defense.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #13 on:** April 07, 2011, 11:06:56 AM »

Does that 16 card "defense" include dominants and evil arts?

If so, Pharisees.

If not, there are tons of options.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #14 on:** April 07, 2011, 12:03:38 PM »

Id go with Gabes but no Prince of the Air. another orange card- Worst than the First?

I would like to see a decklist of the brown D that Bubbleboy was talking about. Persians/Gallows/Plot IoJ for the Temple.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #15 on:** April 07, 2011, 12:35:32 PM »

Right, why Prince of the Air? Were you expecting lots more silver than usual?

Isildur · « **Reply #16 on:** April 07, 2011, 12:37:57 PM »

TSA or a good Capitan band can kill that defense if Outpost and The Princess Bride guy are killed.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #17 on:** April 07, 2011, 12:39:21 PM »

Both of which are warrior class.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #18 on:** April 07, 2011, 01:07:06 PM »

Try looking at Babylonians. They didn't really get any help from Disciples, but Neb is still (in my opinion) the best evil character out right now. There's a lot of different strategies to look at, and they work well with Heretics and Magicians.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #19 on:** April 07, 2011, 01:09:21 PM »

The problem with Neb is that he gets shut down by Naz.

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #20 on:** April 07, 2011, 01:11:26 PM »

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I would be interested in seeing what a phillie/demon defense looks like. Care to elaborate more?

Look at the defense of last year's 3rd place type 1 2 player deck.

Thanks for all the suggestions guys.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #21 on:** April 07, 2011, 01:48:23 PM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on April 07, 2011, 12:03:38 PM

I would like to see a decklist of the brown D that Bubbleboy was talking about. Persians/Gallows/Plot IoJ for the Temple.

I don't use Persians, because they generally require more cards, particularly Lion's Den and/or Media sites. It can still work, but it's better with more cards IMO.

Here's the decklist of my Kings of Judah defense:

Ming Manasseh
King Amon
King Rehoboam
King Zedekiah
Uzzah
Gomer
Complainers
Foul Spirit
The Amalekites' Slave

Korah's Rebellion
Shimei's Malicious Curse
Wickedness of the Tenants
Dungeon of Malchiah
Stiff-Necked
Gibeonite Trickery

Gates of Jerusalem

The two most noticeable missing cards are probably Image of Jealousy and Haman's Plot. I don't include HP because I don't feel it's worth it without Gallows, and I took out IoJ because it conflicted with a card or two in my offense, but you could probably take out TAS for one of those if you want. This defense works surprisingly well for me.

uthminister [BR] · « **Reply #22 on:** April 07, 2011, 07:55:23 PM »

I like both of these small defenses. This has given me an idea for a new deck. Thanks Tyler for starting this thread!

CJSports · « **Reply #23 on:** April 07, 2011, 08:05:12 PM »

Quote from: Mr.Hiatus on April 07, 2011, 01:11:26 PM

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I would be interested in seeing what a phillie/demon defense looks like. Care to elaborate more?
Look at the defense of last year's 3rd place type 1 2 player deck.

Thanks for all the suggestions guys.

Who was that maybe YOU!!!

Except your defense was also Abom which helps a lot.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #24 on:** April 07, 2011, 08:47:39 PM »

The best small defense is splash.

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Author Topic: Strong 16 card defense? (Read 4243 times)

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Rawrlolsauce!

Warrior_Monk

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