Author Topic: strange axotic deck (needs critique and advise) (Read 7467 times)

cookie monster · « **on:** December 02, 2011, 06:30:05 PM »

This T1 deck is going to have a heretic, Judas defense, and a protect offence, yes a protect offence.
I need advice for both offence and defense. My offence is so far as follows (get ready):

Hero:
Ahimelek the Hittite
Guardian angel
The Angel Under The Oak
Gideon
Samuel
David (red)
Jacob

GE:
striking Herod
Samuel's edict
Bravery of David
Wheel within a wheel
battle cry

EC:
Judas Iscariot
Red Dragon
Sapphire
Creeping Deceiver
False Teacher
Philetus

EE:
arrest in Gethsemane
Judas' plot
Imitating evil
Deceit of sapphire
A-Bomb
Thievery of Judas
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing

Artifact:
unholy write

site:
all disciples sites except nazzy
pergamum

I will only update list if I own the card.

Here are some cards I do not have yet but will put in my deck when I get them.

GE:
Protection of angels

EE:
Nebby's Pride
Belshazzar's Banquet

Please post your advice and card ideas for this deck.

Please post
Thank you

God Bless!

Red Wing · « **Reply #1 on:** December 02, 2011, 06:39:07 PM »

Quote from: cookie monster on December 02, 2011, 06:30:05 PM

This T1 deck is going to have a heretic, Judas defense, and a protect offence, yes a protect offence.
I need advice for both offence and defense. My offence is so far as follows (get ready):

Ahimelek the Hittite
Gabriel meets Zechariah
watchful servant
birth foretold
striking Herod
Guardian angel
Gabriel (disciples)
Samuel's edict
Bravery of David
Wheel within a wheel
The Angel Under The Oak
Angel With the secret name
Gideon
Samuel
David (red)
David (if possible, with red)
Jacob

Please give advice and card ideas, especially with heretics. Offence is not finished (as you can probably tell).

Please post
Thank you

God Bless!

Here are some good cards to have in a Heretic defense:

Creeping Deceiver
False Teacher
Philetus
Judas Iscariot
King Zimri
Uzzah (Okay, not a heretic, but a good autoblock)
maybe Saphira ( she can band to creeping deceiver

Christian Suing Another
Thievery of Judas
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing
Nebby's Pride
Belshazzar's Banquet
Deceit of Saphira (If you use Saphira)
Imitating Evil (maybe)
Torment or

and all the Disciples sites except Nazzy, because you have a lot of search abilities on the offense.

Hope this helps!

cookie monster · « **Reply #2 on:** December 02, 2011, 06:46:00 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on December 02, 2011, 06:39:07 PM

Quote from: cookie monster on December 02, 2011, 06:30:05 PM
This T1 deck is going to have a heretic, Judas defense, and a protect offence, yes a protect offence.
I need advice for both offence and defense. My offence is so far as follows (get ready):

Ahimelek the Hittite
Gabriel meets Zechariah
watchful servant
birth foretold
striking Herod
Guardian angel
Gabriel (disciples)
Samuel's edict
Bravery of David
Wheel within a wheel
The Angel Under The Oak
Angel With the secret name
Gideon
Samuel
David (red)
David (if possible, with red)
Jacob

Please give advice and card ideas, especially with heretics. Offence is not finished (as you can probably tell).

Please post
Thank you

God Bless!

Here are some good cards to have in a Heretic defense:

Creeping Deceiver
False Teacher
Philetus
Judas Iscariot
King Zimri
Uzzah (Okay, not a heretic, but a good autoblock)
maybe Saphira ( she can band to creeping deceiver

Christian Suing Another
Thievery of Judas
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing
Nebby's Pride
Belshazzar's Banquet
Deceit of Saphira (If you use Saphira)
Imitating Evil (maybe)
Torment or

and all the Disciples sites except Nazzy, because you have a lot of search abilities on the offense.

Hope this helps!

Thanks this does help. Would Head of Gold be a good idea?

Red Wing · « **Reply #3 on:** December 02, 2011, 06:50:30 PM »

only if you are using Babylonians. But splashing a few Babs like maybe Nebby, King Belshazzar, & Nebushashban isn't a bad idea.

Nameless · « **Reply #4 on:** December 02, 2011, 06:51:20 PM »

Quote from: cookie monster on December 02, 2011, 06:46:00 PM

Quote from: Red Wing on December 02, 2011, 06:39:07 PM
Quote from: cookie monster on December 02, 2011, 06:30:05 PM
This T1 deck is going to have a heretic, Judas defense, and a protect offence, yes a protect offence.
I need advice for both offence and defense. My offence is so far as follows (get ready):

Ahimelek the Hittite
Gabriel meets Zechariah
watchful servant
birth foretold
striking Herod
Guardian angel
Gabriel (disciples)
Samuel's edict
Bravery of David
Wheel within a wheel
The Angel Under The Oak
Angel With the secret name
Gideon
Samuel
David (red)
David (if possible, with red)
Jacob

Please give advice and card ideas, especially with heretics. Offence is not finished (as you can probably tell).

Please post
Thank you

God Bless!

Here are some good cards to have in a Heretic defense:

Creeping Deceiver
False Teacher
Philetus
Judas Iscariot
King Zimri
Uzzah (Okay, not a heretic, but a good autoblock)
maybe Saphira ( she can band to creeping deceiver

Christian Suing Another
Thievery of Judas
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing
Nebby's Pride
Belshazzar's Banquet
Deceit of Saphira (If you use Saphira)
Imitating Evil (maybe)
Torment or

and all the Disciples sites except Nazzy, because you have a lot of search abilities on the offense.

Hope this helps!

Thanks this does help. Would Head of Gold be a good idea?

no it would not be a good idea. and could you sort your deck list? please.

Josh · « **Reply #5 on:** December 03, 2011, 09:00:35 AM »

You have very few battlewinners in this deck. I understand that is the outgrowth of your offensive goal (protection), but throwing in A Soldier's Prayer to recur Bravery of David seems like a good idea.

cookie monster · « **Reply #6 on:** December 03, 2011, 11:01:20 AM »

Quote from: jmhartz on December 03, 2011, 09:00:35 AM

You have very few battlewinners in this deck. I understand that is the outgrowth of your offensive goal (protection), but throwing in A Soldier's Prayer to recur Bravery of David seems like a good idea.

I am not done with the list, I will probably add some more battle winners. Soldier's prayer wouldn't be a bad idea though

The list is sorted.

Nameless · « **Reply #7 on:** December 03, 2011, 11:08:34 AM »

If you want a protect deck then you need a Isaiah and King Hez.

cookie monster · « **Reply #8 on:** December 03, 2011, 11:27:01 AM »

Quote from: Nameless on December 03, 2011, 11:08:34 AM

If you want a protect deck then you need a Isaiah and King Hez.

What does king hez do?
Isaiah sounds like a good idea though.

JSB23 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 03, 2011, 11:38:46 AM »

Isaiah protects purple kings from harm, CBN.
and
King Hez (purple one) bands to Isaiah

Also it's spelled "exotic"

SomeKittens · « **Reply #10 on:** December 03, 2011, 02:10:20 PM »

Protect offense? I don't see Thad anywhere....

cookie monster · « **Reply #11 on:** December 04, 2011, 03:11:10 PM »

I put battle cry in.

Nameless · « **Reply #12 on:** December 04, 2011, 06:45:59 PM »

If you want a protect offense here's your offense

Spoiler (hover to show)

Red Wing · « **Reply #13 on:** December 04, 2011, 06:50:40 PM »

Quote from: Nameless on December 04, 2011, 06:45:59 PM

If you want a protect offense here's your offense

Spoiler (hover to show)
Thad
James the lesser
Phil
Bart
John
Then other James
Matt
Tom
Simon
Peter
Andrew

Fishing Boat
Herod's Temple

AOCP
Reach
Pentecost
My Lord and My God
Passover Hymn
Faith like a mustard Seed

Holy Grail

Judas

there are so many counters to thad, that you might not even use his ability much at all. While cookie monster's offense could probably use some adjusting, at least it shows a little creativity.

cookie monster · « **Reply #14 on:** December 04, 2011, 08:16:23 PM »

I updated the list and added defense and artifacts to the list.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #15 on:** December 04, 2011, 10:00:34 PM »

Quote from: cookie monster on December 02, 2011, 06:30:05 PM

This T1 deck is going to have a heretic, Judas defense, and a protect offence, yes a protect offence.
I need advice for both offence and defense.

If you want a protect offense, Teal is the best way to go. Fast and completely protected. Seems like you're more going for a Bulletproof offense. Which you'd want to have Samson in.

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My offence is so far as follows (get ready):

Hero:
Ahimelek the Hittite
Watchful Servant
Guardian angel
Gabriel (disciples)
The Angel Under The Oak
Angel With the secret name
Gideon
Samuel
David (red)
David (green if possible, with red)
Jacob

GE:
Gabriel meets Zechariah
Birth foretold
Striking Herod
Samuel's edict
Bravery of David
Wheel within a wheel
Battle Cry

Okay, first off, the hero choice is a bit strange with those enhancements. Angel With a Secret Name, while being nice for getting out Samuel, really isn't worth the slot in this deck. Watchful Servant is a nice endgame strategy, but I really don't see this deck going endgame too often.

Jacob to Guardian Angel is cool, but you don't have anything to back it up if they kill your Guardian Angel (and since they can't take out your Jacob, expect Guardian Angel to be the one taking the hits). If you want a protection offense, leave them in, but add in more blue, like Claudia, and some blue enhancements. Angel of God, Israelite Archer, and Heldai would be right at home. Maybe throw in a bit more gold, and you'll be good. Something like this:

Heroes: 9
Angel of God
Angel under the Oak
Samuel
Gideon
Israelite Archer
David (Red)
Ahimilek
Heldai
Ishmaiah

Good Enhancements: 7
Striking Herod
Bravery of David
Samuel's Edict
A Soldier's Prayer
Wheel within a Wheel
Deborah's Directive
Battle Cry

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EC:
Judas Iscariot

EE:
arrest in Gethsemane
Judas' plot
Satan Enters Judas

Judas will be awesome this year. Heretics, not so much. I recommend keeping Judas but throwing out the heretics. Themeless Crimson is good. I would go with something like this:

Evil Characters: 8
Judas
Nebuchadnezzar
Nebushashban
King Belshazzar
Red Dragon
Saphira
Ananias
Leviathan

Evil Enhancements: 7
Christian Suing Another
Midianite Attack
Belshazzar's Banquet
Swift Horses
Deceit of Saphira
Great Image
Nebuchadnezzar's Pride

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #16 on:** December 05, 2011, 10:43:24 AM »

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Judas will be awesome this year

Im just curious...is it because of the rise of Sam's Edict, Bravery of David, and AoC?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #17 on:** December 05, 2011, 10:46:21 AM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on December 05, 2011, 10:43:24 AM

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Judas will be awesome this year

Im just curious...is it because of the rise of Sam's Edict, Bravery of David, and AoC?

Yup. Plus, 6/6 isn't that bad for inish against the big bands that use such cards.

Red Wing · « **Reply #18 on:** December 05, 2011, 02:01:04 PM »

I'd definitely recommend Unholy Writ as well.

cookie monster · « **Reply #19 on:** December 05, 2011, 02:11:00 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on December 04, 2011, 10:00:34 PM

Quote from: cookie monster on December 02, 2011, 06:30:05 PM
This T1 deck is going to have a heretic, Judas defense, and a protect offence, yes a protect offence.
I need advice for both offence and defense.
If you want a protect offense, Teal is the best way to go. Fast and completely protected. Seems like you're more going for a Bulletproof offense. Which you'd want to have Samson in.

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My offence is so far as follows (get ready):

Hero:
Ahimelek the Hittite
Watchful Servant
Guardian angel
Gabriel (disciples)
The Angel Under The Oak
Angel With the secret name
Gideon
Samuel
David (red)
David (green if possible, with red)
Jacob

GE:
Gabriel meets Zechariah
Birth foretold
Striking Herod
Samuel's edict
Bravery of David
Wheel within a wheel
Battle Cry
Okay, first off, the hero choice is a bit strange with those enhancements. Angel With a Secret Name, while being nice for getting out Samuel, really isn't worth the slot in this deck. Watchful Servant is a nice endgame strategy, but I really don't see this deck going endgame too often.

Jacob to Guardian Angel is cool, but you don't have anything to back it up if they kill your Guardian Angel (and since they can't take out your Jacob, expect Guardian Angel to be the one taking the hits). If you want a protection offense, leave them in, but add in more blue, like Claudia, and some blue enhancements. Angel of God, Israelite Archer, and Heldai would be right at home. Maybe throw in a bit more gold, and you'll be good. Something like this:

Heroes: 9
Angel of God
Angel under the Oak
Samuel
Gideon
Israelite Archer
David (Red)
Ahimilek
Heldai
Ishmaiah

Good Enhancements: 7
Striking Herod
Bravery of David
Samuel's Edict
A Soldier's Prayer
Wheel within a Wheel
Deborah's Directive
Battle Cry

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EC:
Judas Iscariot

EE:
arrest in Gethsemane
Judas' plot
Satan Enters Judas
Judas will be awesome this year. Heretics, not so much. I recommend keeping Judas but throwing out the heretics. Themeless Crimson is good. I would go with something like this:

Evil Characters: 8
Judas
Nebuchadnezzar
Nebushashban
King Belshazzar
Red Dragon
Saphira
Ananias
Leviathan

Evil Enhancements: 7
Christian Suing Another
Midianite Attack
Belshazzar's Banquet
Swift Horses
Deceit of Saphira
Great Image
Nebuchadnezzar's Pride

I will add some more blue, but I do not have the cards I am thinking of. I am also going to put in chamber of angels since I have a lot of Angels. Sampson is going to get in this deck as soon as I get him. I am going with the heretics because I am curios as to why people say they are so bad, and they are sort of exotic, wouldn't you say.

My hero choice was based on the different strategies that I have thought about using, but that haven't made it into any other decks. Also I have a lot of banding enhancements (and I will get more) in this deck that may be more effective as enhancements as opposed to hero abilities. Plus, this adds more exotic to this deck.

I do appreciated your advice and may use some of it in this, and future decks.

Thanks for the adviced though

cookie monster · « **Reply #20 on:** December 05, 2011, 02:13:29 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on December 05, 2011, 02:01:04 PM

I'd definitely recommend Unholy Writ as well.

Not a bad idea.

It's in the deck.

Red Wing · « **Reply #21 on:** December 05, 2011, 02:22:32 PM »

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I am going with the heretics because I am curios as to why people say they are so bad, and they are sort of exotic, wouldn't you say.

The reason Heretics aren't very good in T1 is that they hardly have an cards, and all their special abilities can be negated somehow (except creeping deceiver). Creeping Deceiver takes a good bit of time to set up too. Also, they don't have any really good battle winners( other than belly's banquet & Nebby's pride). In other words, there are just better defenses out there.

cookie monster · « **Reply #22 on:** December 05, 2011, 03:03:33 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on December 05, 2011, 02:22:32 PM

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I am going with the heretics because I am curios as to why people say they are so bad, and they are sort of exotic, wouldn't you say.
The reason Heretics aren't very good in T1 is that they hardly have an cards, and all their special abilities can be negated somehow (except creeping deceiver). Creeping Deceiver takes a good bit of time to set up too. Also, they don't have any really good battle winners( other than belly's banquet & Nebby's pride). In other words, there are just better defenses out there.

I am still going to try them. I may add some other defensive cards, do Babylonians work with heretics well?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #23 on:** December 05, 2011, 03:46:24 PM »

Babs do mesh well with Heritics, and can hold off until Creeper gets set up. Still not the best, but hey, experimenting is good!

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #24 on:** December 05, 2011, 04:41:29 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on December 05, 2011, 03:46:24 PM

Babs do mesh

Before reading the rest of this sentence, I was wondering what language this could possibly be.

I would suggest both Chenaniah and Protection of Angels in this offense. In fact, a full Musician/Jugde/Angel offense would be interesting now that I think of it. Both Deborah and Moses are Musicians, aren't they? Hm...

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