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Cards in deck: 51
Lost Souls: 8
   Lost Soul (Female Only)
   Lost Soul (first round)
   Lost Soul (hopper)
   Lost Soul (N.T. only)
   Lost Soul (revealer)
   Lost Soul (shame)
   Lost Soul (shuffler)
   Lost Soul (Wanderer)

Lamb Dominants: 6
   Angel of the Lord
   Grapes of Wrath
   Guardian Of Your Souls
   Harvest Time
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 4
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away
   Mayhem

Fortresses: 1
   Storehouse

Artifacts: 4
   Blue Tassels
   Holy Grail
   Stone Pillar at Bethel
   Unholy Writ

Multi-Color Heroes: 1
   Joseph (Blue/Green)

Blue Heroes: 10
   Asher
   Benjamin
   Dan
   Eve
   Jacob
   Judah
   Levi
   Rachel
   Simeon
   Zebulun

Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 1
   Seven Years of Plenty (Blue/Evil Gold)

Green Hero Enhancements: 1
   Creation of the World

Blue Hero Enhancements: 5
   Abraham's Descendant
   Answer to Prayer
   Forgiveness of Joseph
   Joseph Before Pharaoh
   Reuben's Torn Clothes

Multi-Colored Evil Characters: 1
  The Amalekites' Slave

Gold Evil Characters: 4
   King of Tyrus
   Pharaoh's Baker
   Pharaoh's Cupbearer
   The Dreaming Pharaoh

Brown Evil Characters: 2
   Gomer
   Uzzah

Gold Evil Enhancements: 1
   Failed Objective

Brown Evil Enhancements: 1
   Haman's Plot

This deck is very, very concentrated towards Joseph and Zebulun abuse, especially the latter during the late game. I have also gotten a use out of Ben at times, and Rachel/Jacob for a pre-block ignore using RTC or even just as a workaround against CM or Writ. The defense has performed admirably, though I'm not exactly thrilled with it. Failed Objective, which has only made its way into this deck recently, has been a great addition, as I have a lot of initiative. I manage to use it almost every game. I've been neglectful of keeping count, but its win/loss record is roughly 50-10 (I've used it a lot since the new cards were uploaded), by far making it my most successful deck to date. Any thoughts or opinions?

While I disagree, I understand where you're coming from, so I changed the title. However, just because this isn't a, "draw as much as possible" doesn't mean it isn't speed. This deck is very, very fast, especially when I get the tools to use Creation of the World out early enough to start abusing Eve. Even if I don't, the defense is almost completely about speed in the conventional sense.

This deck may be fast but when your up against a disciples deck or just a deck built around speed then you will be blown out in decking out. This deck could be very fast depending on the draw. My point is that a speed deck should deck out easily no matter what draw. I understand both your points but to MKC when you say cards like seven years you get 1 card per turn and you may not get that out till 3rd or 4th turn so by the time you get your card bonus from it your opponent is decked out that is if they are playing speed.

Yep I agree.

thats what this deck is missing, answer to prayer...

creation is also dead late-game. how does this deck fare with just one hero to play it on?

I doubt you really need Storehouse...even without it I don't see this deck having trouble drawing, and you could certainly use another evil battle winner such as Wonders Forgotten.

Damsel/Death of Unrighteous could also work well.

Oh definitely not a dead card, but I see it as a card that could be taken out without losing the overall effectiveness of the deck, and then finding a card that would be useful in more situations.

Did you considered Hidden Treasures at all?

Have you faced Hezekiah's Signet Ring?

How has Mayhem affected you?

How has anti-ignore affected you?

Not necessarily suggesting you to switch anything because I've not started playtesting my version of this idea yet.  However, the answers to the above questions is what I would seek out to see how the deck stacks up against it's counters.

Did you considered Hidden Treasures at all?

Have you faced Hezekiah's Signet Ring?

How has Mayhem affected you?

How has anti-ignore affected you?

Not necessarily suggesting you to switch anything because I've not started playtesting my version of this idea yet.  However, the answers to the above questions is what I would seek out to see how the deck stacks up against it's counters.

1. I'm currently working on a Genesis deck that's more focused on the use and abuse of Joseph, including Hidden Treasures, along with Judah and Obadiah's Caves. I have definitely considered it, but I have no room in the current version, which is less focused on Joe (though I use him a lot) and more focused on multiple Genesis strategies.

2. I believe I ran into Hezekiah's Signant Ring once a while back (it might have been against Pol's anti-meta deck, or maybe just Pol - I can't remember). Obviously a strategy that relies on search is going to be hurt by that, but I really don't remember how it went. More recently, I played against Nazareth, which was absolutely devastating all game. My opponent played it inside the first two turns, and I never even drew Joseph that whole game, though I narrowly managed to get the win 4/5. Something really neat about Genesis is that, even if you can't search for what you want, there are so many options. I ended up making rescue attempts with Simeon + Levi, Rachel + Jacob, and Ben that whole game. Never got a chance to use Joseph (as I mentioned) or even Zeb.

3. First Turn Mayhems are, obviously, a pain no matter what deck you're using. The cool thing about Genesis is that between search and a generally fast offense, it can get set up pretty quickly unless you run into a lot of bad draws. As Alex mentioned, a Mayhem at any point during the regular game tends to be nothing but helpful to me, as my hand size rarely goes above six or seven, even right after a draw. Usually I have something to gain whenever Mayhem is played, and if I have Storehouse out, I always keep at least one good enhancement in there (assuming I have one) just in case my opponent decides to Mayhem. Dumping three or four enhancements in Storehouse to play Mayhem is nothing short of fantastic. All-in-all, you'll be hard pressed to find a strategy less affected by Mayhem.

4. Anti-ignore is, essentially, a non-issue. While it obviously hurts Zeb, Zeb remains a low numbered character with a draw ability, and I have, at least twice now, used Abe's Kid to pull an evil enhancement from my opponent's Golgotha to get Zeb's ignore kicked back in. Additionally, while it hurts Jacob + RTC, it's not a deal breaker. This goes back to the "Genesis has so many options" thing.

How has Charms with one magician worked out for you?

Maybe Plot and Gomer since you have Uzzah and Ammy's slave who can play it. Wonders Forgotten is also a CBN Battle winner. Or you add in Damsel for drawing and keep Charms.

Out:
King of Tyrus
Magic Charms

In:
Gomer
Haman's Plot
Answer to Prayer

Look good?

Yep that's good