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I'm thinking about doing a Red/Babylonian deck m'self.

For your capture cards (I'll do this myself), I'd recommend throwing in a "Raider's Camp." It hinders your opponent from rescuing souls.

As UNF0RG1V4BL3 said, Welcome to the Boards! First things first, you need to drop a Dominant from your Deck (I'd suggest Burial)

Next up, the main theme for Red is the OT Warriors (besides the Centurions) so I'd suggest running to that theme, and definately getting Tin 25 for some of the best new Red Warriors and some of the older ones like Heldai and cards like David's Triumph and Warrior's Spear (I can't remember most of their battle-winners since I don't play them... But Tin 25 will come with Bravery of David) Also get Council of Abigail and possibly Abigail as well. You will need a David for a lot of Battle-winners to work as well as Uriah.

For the Babylonians,
You need to get Nebuchadnezzar (TxP) he is one of the bases of the Babylonians because he can pull any OT Crimson card and it can't be negated. But be sure you don't have a Daniel Hero in your Deck, it will hurt you. Next up will be putting King Belshazzar in your Deck since he can pull Belshazzar's Banquet from your Discard Pile (which you should also use) and you should definately have Babylonian Solider's to Remove the Characters you capture.
I would highly suggest using both Drawn Sword and Forrest Fire (both from FF2). Also get Negershalezzar (the one that makes OT Evil Enhancements cannot be negated) and get Arioch. Astrologers and Chaldeans are very useful as well as Invoking Terror. Dream can be very useful as well. I would also suggest Uzzah as well.

For Lost Souls, NT Only is very useful as is First Round Protect. The Cannot be Prevented Lost Soul is very useful and I would suggest keeping the Female Only as well. You may find Multi-Book useful (basically if Opponent bands Characters from 2 books together, Protect that one from Rescue) */4 or higher is great since Son of God/ New Jerusalem can't rescue it (same with the NT Only) and lastly Shut Door. This means that if an Opponent plays a Good Dominant (like Angel of the Lord or Grapes of Wrath) that Lost Soul jumps to the bottom of the Owner's Deck.

Also I suggest using Unknown Nation so you can pull another Evil Character from your Deck if an Opponent has a Hero in battle. This helps if an Opponent played a card like Authority of Christ (the Promo which can't be negated) or Angel of the Lord so you can get another Evil Character into battle.

With these suggestions I'd suggest taking out Priestly Crown and Temple Veil because Sites are not commonly used anymore (except Samaria) and the ones that are, (Samaria) you can easily get Site Access with your Characters anyway. (All the new Centurions have Site Access and so do at least 2 of the OT Warriors do as well and Caleb can use an Opponent's Site for Access too.

These are my suggestions to help your Deck. =) I hope it will help. Also be very careful for Household Idols and I may suggest getting Simon the Zealot for that + he protects your Hand and Deck from Opponents while he's in play.

These guys have the advice pretty much down, but I just want to add another voice in favor of Unknown Nation. Getting Nebuchadnezzar out ASAP is where most of Crimson's strength comes from, and a battle-extender is always nice (especially if you can use it after drawing out AotL). To that end, I would also suggest The Amalekite's Slave.

When you're ready to get more advanced, you can easily morph the defense into Crimson/Pale and the offense into FbtNB (creating a tournament-caliber deck), so you've started down the right path.

if you dont want to spend lots of money,go on threelionsgaming.com and get cards like abishi, heldai, adino, mustering for war,sound the   alarm,united army, and some other banding cards as far as babs go its hard to go cheap but all this is just if you want to go cheap,its not the best deck ever

Ok, WOW.  Thanks guys, a lot.  I didn't want to have to go to the OT for red but now i know i pretty much have too. 
A few Questions though:

  Why drop Burial? 

  Is David the only viable strategy for red?

  How do you play battle winners with a high number Red deck?  This one may seem like a duh duh, but I can't seem to get it. 

 Minister Polarius stated that "When you're ready to get more advanced, you can easily morph the defense into Crimson/Pale and the offense into FbtNB (creating a tournament-caliber deck), so you've started down the right path."  What is FbtNB and is Crimson/Pale Green inherently better than just Crimson?

  The more vocal of you said nothing about Raider's Camp, is that useful?

  Thanks very much, now i know that i have to really put some more thought into the Red.  FYI I bought most of the 2011 Babylonian cards and Nebuchadnezzar.  Red however I only bought Foreign Sword and the New Counsel of Abigail

FbtNB is Fight by the Numbers Banding. It uses the Warrior-Class "FbtN" characters (Ira, Benaiah, The Strong Angel and Captain of the Host) along with a long banding chain to attack with, and it won Nationals this year.

Pure crimson isn't a top-caliber defense, but Crimson/Pale Green is a way to play Magicians that is very viable with its many blocks and reasonable speed.

Well obviously of the battle winners are chump blocks (uzzah, failed objective, bels banquet, death of unrighteousness,  suicidal swine stampede) or CBN it's tough to stop them but if they are just battle winners you can use interrupt cards cards and negate cards to stop there evil enhancements.  I'm not super familiar with red offense but look for cards with said interrupt and negate abilities on them to stop defensive battle winners

One such card is bravery of David which you can use a soldiers prayer to search deck or discard pile for and exchange it.

That being said many players only use chump blocks and CBN battle winners on defense so your better off using your own battle winners on offense rather then negating there battle winners.

Personally I'm not a huge fan of raiders camp because lots of capture abilities are not CBN and there is a ton of protection against capture in the game. Also you have to get raiders camp in play for it to be useful. Unless you can search for it and be sure u can get it out, it may not be drawn early enough to be useful.

Just my opinion though.

Thanks for all your help guys I really appreciate it.  I'm going to post another incarnation of this deck in maybe a week, with better Babylonians and i'll think about what needs to happen for my Red. 

Gracias Amigos

As megamanlan said, I would recommend a David to go in the offense - various other cards cannot be negated if he is in play and is a good character for initiative.  As Minister Polarius brought up, FBTNB wouldn't be a bad thing to consider for the deck.  Not completely augmenting the deck to a by the numbers deck, but throwing in some of the characters such as Ira and Benaiah.

Hmmmm, My first glance over the deck shows me that you have way too few heros. No deck balanced or not needs to be running less than 9 heroes. Also never play equal Enhancement/Character ratios. Apply these concepts to everyone else's advice and you will have a decent deck.

For the most part I agree, use at very minimum 8 Heroes (I suggest more though) and at least 9-10 EC's since you will lose Evil Characters sort-of quickly if you are not careful and be sure to have the Babylonian Protect Fortress in case an Opponent plays Authority of Christ (P).

Reverse that. Always play more hero's than ECs, Heroes when the game. ECs don't.