Author Topic: Eric's CASUAL Deck Number 15 - 56 card Heroless? (Read 5043 times)

stefferweffer · « **Reply #25 on:** May 06, 2010, 03:19:14 PM »

But he be can be martyred that turn if I make a rescue attempt with him, right? Maybe you keep I am Healing in your hand until the next turn? So you need to take one turn to convert, perhaps NOT rescue, and then rescue again the following turn (hoping they don't use Lying unto God) with I am Healing up? I may be totally wrong, but this seems like a lot of time and risk instead of just holding a healing enhancement or two in your hand. I thought the idea was to make sure that Paul NEVER goes to the discard pile.

And again, with so many defensive artifacts now, and the Urim and Thummin strategy, and so many other artifact strategies in this deck, another artifact just seems risky.

I have modified the deck again, still wanting to try it at 56 cards first and see how that goes.

Regarding New Jerusalem promo, its not that I don't have one. It's that I have ONLY one, not 15. These are all actual sleeved decks used by our playgroup all at the same time, and I try to keep them balanced by not throwing massive advantage cards like New Jerusalem (which I don't like anyway) into just one or two decks. Actually what I love to do is have 15 ROA tins as deck boxes and randomly choosing one so that I don't know what deck I am using.

But for a tournament I would likely take it to 63 cards, and much of that would be dominants

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #26 on:** May 06, 2010, 03:22:38 PM »

only when he's in battle. which you'll have an I am Healing active to stop. also, instead of including two healing enhancements, you only need one, and your defensive artifacts shouldn't be needed at that point in the game.
Urim and Thummim can't even count for a card. it's one of the best cards in the game, IMO.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #27 on:** May 06, 2010, 03:31:47 PM »

Also I'd switch BOTR for Ob caves.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #28 on:** May 06, 2010, 04:03:22 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 06, 2010, 03:31:47 PM

Also I'd switch BOTR for Ob caves.

Well now I feel stupid. That seems like a MUCH better way to stop him from being captured than Blue Tassels or CoP...Methinks I should add that to my deck.

Quote from: stefferweffer on May 06, 2010, 03:19:14 PM

But he be can be martyred that turn if I make a rescue attempt with him, right? Maybe you keep I am Healing in your hand until the next turn? So you need to take one turn to convert, perhaps NOT rescue, and then rescue again the following turn (hoping they don't use Lying unto God) with I am Healing up? I may be totally wrong, but this seems like a lot of time and risk instead of just holding a healing enhancement or two in your hand. I thought the idea was to make sure that Paul NEVER goes to the discard pile.

I have both Brass Serpent and I am Healing in my deck. If I do want to make an RA on the same turn that I convert Paul, I'll make sure that I have that in my hand. But usually I wait until the next turn. To be honest

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And again, with so many defensive artifacts now, and the Urim and Thummin strategy, and so many other artifact strategies in this deck, another artifact just seems risky.

Urim and Thummim doesn't really count as an Artifact, since you can activate a new artifact on top of it. The benefits of looking at your opponents hand FAR outweighs the cost of adding one card to the deck. To me, NOT including it seems risky. A Heroless deck is like the Boy Scouts. You need to Always Be Prepared. Attacking with Paul without knowing exactly what's in your opponent's hand is silly.

EDIT: Glad to see you added U&T and Caiaphas. But I just realized something: you have no Storehouse. That is bad. Your defense is pretty ineffective if you're holding AotL, Authority of Christ, your offensive healing card, Saul/Paul (if you don't have Palace out right away), Healing of Namaan, and Built on the Rock in your hand. You'll be discarding EE's right and left.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #29 on:** May 06, 2010, 04:22:15 PM »

about Storehouse. It needs to be in there, but that's why heroless has become weaker...you could get burned by IoJ and DS...

Professoralstad · « **Reply #30 on:** May 06, 2010, 04:27:52 PM »

That's true. In my own Heroless, I try to put as few of the necessary enhancements there as possible. I also use the territory discard LS to hopefully discard any enhancement on my Fortress.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #31 on:** May 06, 2010, 04:29:45 PM »

I usually throw in a King Hezzy or Nathan, but in a heroless deck...

stefferweffer · « **Reply #32 on:** May 06, 2010, 04:41:53 PM »

Storehouse is back in, for now, but it's really risky, like you mentioned. And if its at the bottom of your deck it did no good to put it in anyway, but I guess that could be said of many cards

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #33 on:** May 06, 2010, 04:44:47 PM »

Also are those 7 generic ls? /cringe

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #34 on:** May 06, 2010, 04:48:40 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 06, 2010, 04:44:47 PM

Also are those 7 generic ls? /cringe

as he said, it's a casual deck. if used for tournaments, I'm sure he'd add better.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #35 on:** May 06, 2010, 07:58:22 PM »

They will be a mix of the less expensive but still good ones. Likely shuffler, female only, NT only, wanderer. Maybe First Round protect if I can afford it. Unfortunately I have to buy about half of these cards to make this deck

Lost Souls and Revealer would be nice, but too much money for a casual deck. I like the LS idea someone mentioned about a LS that removes a card from your territory?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #36 on:** May 06, 2010, 08:00:43 PM »

That would be the territory discard LS from Tin I, shown below. It's $2.50 on TLG, and I'm not sure how widely available they are on the forums.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #37 on:** May 06, 2010, 08:14:52 PM »

I'm pretty sure I have a stack of those from all the booster drafts I played. if you need one, I'd be happy to trade.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #38 on:** May 07, 2010, 09:29:35 AM »

Thanks. That's a good counter to Abom right? Come to think of it, isn't Heroless extremely vulnerable to Abom?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #39 on:** May 07, 2010, 09:41:24 AM »

Quote from: stefferweffer on May 07, 2010, 09:29:35 AM

Thanks. That's a good counter to Abom right? Come to think of it, isn't Heroless extremely vulnerable to Abom?

well, that depends. if you can discard their heroes that force you to draw, you should be fine. you just have to do it quickly

Professoralstad · « **Reply #40 on:** May 07, 2010, 09:43:25 AM »

Quote from: stefferweffer on May 07, 2010, 09:29:35 AM

Thanks. That's a good counter to Abom right? Come to think of it, isn't Heroless extremely vulnerable to Abom?

Yeah. Pretty much any strategy that relies on you having certain cards is vulnerable to a well-built Abom deck. If you suspect your opponent is playing Abom, you just need to be very careful about what you put on the table.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #41 on:** May 07, 2010, 10:58:53 AM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on May 07, 2010, 09:41:24 AM

Quote from: stefferweffer on May 07, 2010, 09:29:35 AM
Thanks. That's a good counter to Abom right? Come to think of it, isn't Heroless extremely vulnerable to Abom?
well, that depends. if you can discard their heroes that force you to draw, you should be fine. you just have to do it quickly

But if Hur or another hero like him enters battle from hand, or Meeting the Messiah is played, or Mayhem, that means bye-bye Paul right?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #42 on:** May 07, 2010, 11:30:54 AM »

Quote from: stefferweffer on May 07, 2010, 10:58:53 AM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on May 07, 2010, 09:41:24 AM
Quote from: stefferweffer on May 07, 2010, 09:29:35 AM
Thanks. That's a good counter to Abom right? Come to think of it, isn't Heroless extremely vulnerable to Abom?
well, that depends. if you can discard their heroes that force you to draw, you should be fine. you just have to do it quickly
But if Hur or another hero like him enters battle from hand, or Meeting the Messiah is played, or Mayhem, that means bye-bye Paul right?

If High Priest's Palace is out, then Paul is fine. If it's not, then he shouldn't be in your territory anyway. If you see that your opponent is using an Abom deck, it'd be best to keep Saul/Paul in your hand until you can figure out how to deal with it.

But yeah, Abom is pretty nasty. I've considered using I am Grace in my Heroless to take care of it, but so far I haven't played any Abom decks with Heroless.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #43 on:** May 07, 2010, 12:56:25 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on May 07, 2010, 11:30:54 AM

Quote from: stefferweffer on May 07, 2010, 10:58:53 AM
Quote from: Ring Wraith on May 07, 2010, 09:41:24 AM
Quote from: stefferweffer on May 07, 2010, 09:29:35 AM
Thanks. That's a good counter to Abom right? Come to think of it, isn't Heroless extremely vulnerable to Abom?
well, that depends. if you can discard their heroes that force you to draw, you should be fine. you just have to do it quickly
But if Hur or another hero like him enters battle from hand, or Meeting the Messiah is played, or Mayhem, that means bye-bye Paul right?

If High Priest's Palace is out, then Paul is fine. If it's not, then he shouldn't be in your territory anyway. If you see that your opponent is using an Abom deck, it'd be best to keep Saul/Paul in your hand until you can figure out how to deal with it.

But yeah, Abom is pretty nasty. I've considered using I am Grace in my Heroless to take care of it, but so far I haven't played any Abom decks with Heroless.

Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think HPP protects Paul. It protects Saul. I'm most concerned about protecting Paul from Abom. I was going to say Josiah's Covenant, but then they just Abom that, and then Paul. Yeah, I'm curious now if heroless decks have ever succeeded against Abom decks.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #44 on:** May 07, 2010, 01:19:42 PM »

They don't often hit them I guess. I never hit one with heroless.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #45 on:** May 07, 2010, 01:21:23 PM »

Someone should match their "Heroless" against someone's "Abom" online and post the results

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #46 on:** May 07, 2010, 01:23:08 PM »

Not a bad idea, but it'd also depend on the heroless. I use gold so I could potentially snipe ABOM and high places.

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