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So I would swap The New covenant out for Cov-Palestine.

I would not swap, new covenant seems necessary for this deck. but I would add cov-palestine.

They would get first response to the action of capturing the hero so they could just play SoG/NJ before you could return him.

but what deck is gonna hold SoG/NJ till the end of the game, especially when they are gonna be strapped for hand space because you aren't making rescue attempts against them

If a good player figures out their opponent is playing a turtle, all of them will hold onto SoG/NJ.

true, but that requires a really good play to figure out they are facing a turtle before they play SoG/NJ and have charms in their deck.  yes its possible, but not the most likely thing in the world imo.  if you have room in your deck for another art, then sure add it, buti would play this deck taking that risk

Personally, I don't play with charms, but if I know my opponent, count how many cards he has in his deck, and see him play any evil character other than Uzzah/Gomer/KoT/Ammy Slave/Sabbath Breaker, I'm going to know he's playing a turtle, and generally SoG/NJ aren't played until turn 3 at least.

Something also to keep in mind is that your opponent can get out charms and capture WS is one turn, which means you would have to have cov with pal up all the time to stop it, meaning you can't use a new cov at all if you want to use cov with pal

Book of the Covenant/Herod's Temple?

In other news, AotL stops Charms cold (so long as the magician isn't Manny/Gates or Simon/CP).

and in this kind of deck you probably won't use AotL because if everything goes right they will never get an EC in battle

if you are really worried about charms then use something that can kill SoG in hand or deck, like confusion, high priests plot, ect or use something like cov with josiah or miracle hankey to protect WS in territory and use healing cards from hand to stop CM

its a risk either way, theres no fool-proof way around it other than just protecting yourself in territory and heal in battle, they could easily protect whichever magician they have in territory from discard and AotL would be useless.