Author Topic: Not looking for the traditional cut to 50 answer, but would like solid in put. (Read 2929 times)

jbeers285 · « **on:** January 16, 2014, 01:49:10 AM »

70 cards
Gold Hero's 4
Moses
Jeptha
Jair
Gideon

Silver hero's (4)
Gabriel (wa)
AwaSN
AutO
Captain

Multi Color Hero's (3)
Samuel (Gold/Green)
Joseph (Blue/Green)
Ezekiel (Green/Teal)

Green Hero's (3)
Benaiah
David
Armor bearer

Blue Hero's (2)
Rachel
Jacob

Gold enhancements (2)
Samuels Edict
Deborah's Directive

Blue Enhancements (2)
Reuben's Torn Clothes
Abraham's Descendants

Silver Enhancements (3)
Angelic Guidance
Angelic News
Striking Herod

Multi-color good enhancements (3)
Wheel within a Wheel (green/silver)
Live Coal (green/silver)
Spiritual Warfare (green/sliver)

Dual alignment cards (2)
Forest Fire (green/crimson)
Drawn Sword (green/crimson)

Artifacts (4)
Iron Pan
Magic Charms
I Am Holy
Hidden Treasures

Dom's (9)
SoG
NJ
AotL
Grapes
Vain Philosophy
Christian Martyr
Falling Away
Mayhem
Don

Souls (10)
Resurrection
Fool
Female only
NT only
CBP
Wanderer
2-liner
Revealer
Hopper

Crimson Characters (6)
Nebuchadnezzar
Babylonian Soldiers
King Belshazzar
Nerg
King Merodach-Baladan
Judas Iscariot

Multi Color EC (4)
Foreign Wives
Winged lion
Astrologers
Chaldeans

Evil Enhancements (7)
Swift Horses
Dream
Carried into exile
Head of Gold
Desecrate the Temple
Belshazzar's Banquet
Nebuchadnezzar's Pride

Multi Color Evil enhancements (2)
Scattered
invoking terror

browarod · « **Reply #1 on:** January 16, 2014, 09:37:29 AM »

I feel like your offense is trying to be too many themes at once. You have some Judges stuff, some Genesis stuff, and some FBTN stuff. I'd recommend taking out the Genesis stuff as they function the best as their own theme (or in Herolite with Zeb).

I also only count 9 Lost Souls (not 10) and one of them is the Hopper. I'm assuming one was missed in your typing.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 16, 2014, 01:48:53 PM »

Regardless of the direction you want to go with the deck I would suggest the following cards for a Crimson defense:

Darius' Decree
Christian Suing Another (cbi when your dd is active_
Sarah's Jealousy (cbi assuming you pick a color they are not playing, works great with your spread offense and works super good with your Joseph or a Holy Grail)
Imitating Evil To get a cbi/cbn battle winner back
And Great Image, to good to pass up if your are playing 70 cards. It would be tough to find a slot for it in a 56 in which case I would ignore it. The other 3 should go with any crimson build imo.

If you keep the build at 70 I would cut offense to add some of this defense. If you went smaller I guess you are going to have to cut a little of both.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #3 on:** January 16, 2014, 02:08:20 PM »

10 ECs is not nearly enough for a 70 card deck. This will lead to too many draws where you pull out some of your many LSs, and end up just giving them away because you don't have anyone to block with. You probably need at least 5 more ECs.

Isildur · « **Reply #4 on:** January 16, 2014, 02:25:10 PM »

Whats the reasoning for 70 cards?

jbeers285 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 16, 2014, 03:05:30 PM »

Quote from: Isildur on January 16, 2014, 02:25:10 PM

Whats the reasoning for 70 cards?

Honestly no real reason I just want something totally different to
Go with. Plus at 70 defensive heavy won't shut me down and it should have enough defense to stand up.

AJ · « **Reply #6 on:** January 16, 2014, 05:38:18 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on January 16, 2014, 02:08:20 PM

10 ECs is not nearly enough for a 70 card deck. This will lead to too many draws where you pull out some of your many LSs, and end up just giving them away because you don't have anyone to block with. You probably need at least 5 more ECs.

Hes not trying to run defense heavy or balanced so i dont think he needs the other ECs not every 70 card deck is defense heavy

Nameless · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2014, 07:18:49 PM »

Quote from: AJ on January 16, 2014, 05:38:18 PM

Quote from: Prof Underwood on January 16, 2014, 02:08:20 PM
10 ECs is not nearly enough for a 70 card deck. This will lead to too many draws where you pull out some of your many LSs, and end up just giving them away because you don't have anyone to block with. You probably need at least 5 more ECs.
Hes not trying to run defense heavy or balanced so i dont think he needs the other ECs not every 70 card deck is defense heavy

But 70 cards speed decks have never really been the rage, for a reason.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2014, 07:37:36 PM »

Quote from: AJ on January 16, 2014, 05:38:18 PM

Hes not trying to run defense heavy or balanced so i dont think he needs the other ECs not every 70 card deck is defense heavy

My experience is that 70 card decks only work at top levels if they are defense-heavy.

If they are offense-heavy, then they'll still be slower than a 50 card speed deck, and they won't have enough defense to stop those speed decks.

If they are balanced, then they will be VERY susceptible to a poor draw on either offense OR defense that will end up costing them the game.

If they are defense-heavy (and fast), then they will always have enough power to stop the super-fast and super-strong offenses of opponents, and can therefore wait until they end up drawing whatever small offense they need to get to 5.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2014, 07:44:38 PM »

@Jbeers how about you test the deck on RTS an see how it goes? That's probably the best way to find out. Then you can cut it down if you need to.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2014, 10:06:50 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on January 16, 2014, 07:44:38 PM

@Jbeers how about you test the deck on RTS an see how it goes? That's probably the best way to find out. Then you can cut it down if you need to.

Good thought but
1. It's very hard to find t1 games on rts right now
2. If you do find one people aren't playing meta decks bc it's off season
3. 80% of games on rts in my experience has resulted in playing against defensive heavy decks.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 16, 2014, 10:53:39 PM »

I can get RTS up and running by tomorrow and can play you with a 52 card Disciples Pharisees meta deck sometime if you would like. Besides Justin seems lonely over there in the chat box haha.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 17, 2014, 12:43:33 AM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on January 16, 2014, 10:53:39 PM

I can get RTS up and running by tomorrow and can play you with a 52 card Disciples Pharisees meta deck sometime if you would like. Besides Justin seems lonely over there in the chat box haha.

That would be cool for me if you didn't mind and I played Justin 2 games of T2 tonight lol

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #13 on:** January 17, 2014, 07:25:23 AM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on January 16, 2014, 10:06:50 PM

3. 80% of games on rts in my experience has resulted in playing against defensive heavy decks.

Maybe this indicates that it's fun for people to play defensive heavy decks and have real battles. If only tournaments had longer time limits (like RTS games), so that people were free to play the game for the most fun

christiangamer25 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 17, 2014, 08:04:46 AM »

yeah and ban hand control which only kills fun

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #15 on:** January 17, 2014, 09:20:54 AM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on January 17, 2014, 07:25:23 AM

Quote from: jbeers285 on January 16, 2014, 10:06:50 PM
3. 80% of games on rts in my experience has resulted in playing against defensive heavy decks.
Maybe this indicates that it's fun for people to play defensive heavy decks and have real battles. If only tournaments had longer time limits (like RTS games), so that people were free to play the game for the most fun

It's not fun, don't worry. Defense is just brokenly good.

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