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Emperors run best with Abe's Kids. The entire defense is reliant on keeping Horses up, so having a way to easily recur them is pro. Just have Jacob and maybe Sarah (longer captain band) or Servant Girl (soulgen) along with Abe's Kids and Golgotha and the defense will be more reliable.

Emperors run best with Abe's Kids. The entire defense is reliant on keeping Horses up, so having a way to easily recur them is pro. Just have Jacob and maybe Sarah Rachel (longer captain band) or Servant Girl (soulgen) along with Abe's Kids and Golgotha and the defense will be more reliable.

FTFY...

Do you have RDJ?

Updated, with my entire deck now.

How do you plan to get Wrath off?

Scribe and Rome.

Yep. + if its cloging my hand Othro shoots it to blow up the battlefield.

I know you've got EC's to play it on, but it'll get negated almost for sure.  Then you've got the problem of having no offense for two turns.

Thats usually why I'll play it early or when my territory is empty.

Those will be rare occurrences.  A card that's dead when I have heroes out is not worth the slot in my opinion.

Well, I do also use it for Ortho as mentioned, and I don't mind losing a couple Heroes to clear my opponents territory which he may not be able to get back.

Yes, I do need that too, but Chorzin stops Holy Grail.

I might include Angel Under the Oak even without judges, just for the draw 2.   

You can't Draw 2 without exchanging.

Quote from: galadgawyn on February 18, 2012, 02:21:21 AM

I might include Angel Under the Oak even without judges, just for the draw 2.   

You can't Draw 2 without exchanging.

Yes you can. The exchange isn't a requirement for the draw, it's the second part of his ability.

Yeah your deck is probably not the most likely to win tournaments but I don't know why people just respond with telling you to switch decks.  I get tired of using the same old decks even if they do win.  So if you are going to make a silver/gray deck then try to make it the best you can, which is what I think you were asking about.  So.....

With your current deck, I don't think Jacob is the best choice for just the numbers and Angel at Shur isn't worth it to just search for Jacob.  I would either add a little more support for that idea - Abe's Descendants, Seraphim that bands to blue, possibly another large number blue guy, Abes servant to Ur, Pleading for City, Guardian Angel  or I would take them out and focus more on straight silver.  Alternatively, Job is still a good choice to splash with mostly silver.
In the current build, I don't think The Destroyer is good - you don't really have enhancements you'd want to discard for his ability.
Speaking of anti-meta, there are angels that band to purple, white, blue, green.  That would give you the chance to use most of what people are playing. 

I would definitely take out The First Seal (doesn't help win battles) and possibly Spiritual Warfare since you cant play it pre-block. 
I'm not convinced Wrath of Satan is a good choice for this deck and similarly I don't think you'll get the init to play Bearing Bad News or Night Raid without them being negated. 

I don't think you need Cov of Palestine since they are unlikely to capture many angels.  You can take out Mildewed House for Golgotha and Hormah is optional. 

For offense, do you have The Strong Angel?  No reason not to use him.  I might include Angel Under the Oak even without judges, just for the draw 2.   You seem to be really concerned about KoT but there are a number of silver enhancements that can help - Godspeed, Army of the Lord, Captains Sword, Victory, and a bunch of others if played on Michael. 

Don't know what cards you have but Gloria in Excelsis Deo,  Gabriel meets Zach, Praise Him Moon, Fire Smoke and Sulfur,  Flaming Sword,  Innumerable,  Multitude,  Swift beings,  The Second Seal,  Three Angels,  or Wheat and Tares could be helpful.  I think you could also benefit from the silver covenants.

For evil definitely Romans Destroy Jerusalem.  Get this card if you don't have it yet.  Then maybe Denarius, Pontius Pilate.  Adding Lying Spirit and Twice Afflicted so you have 2 ways to get your best defensive cards back is good.  Balaam, Unsucessful, and Cov w Death is another good option.  That can help both your offense and defense.  I'd try to add Unknown Nation and Lurking for some more banding options. 

For lost souls I'd take out shuffler, 2-liner, and revealer for site guard, site remover, and site doubler.  that is my humble opinion.

Just to Note: Most of the Angels in the Deck are OT (Excluding 3) and Angel at Shur is to get Mike faster. Wheat and Tares requires a NT Angel so it's not as good. Captains Sword is total trash and not worth playing in the Deck. I dont understand why u think I should drop the 1st Seal because it makes me Immune and is CBI. Warfare is to get around my Opponents easier w/o killing them. I don't care if it's pre-block or not. If I ran Victory I'd have Destroyer in the Deck just for that.

As to Romans destroy Jerusalem, it's not good in this meta because not many people are running NT Heroes. Although I agree Bearing Bad News is crap, but it's more of a place holder for Naaman's C&H for now. And (unfortunately) ur wrong, lots of cards capture Angels. (Most of Gray, Imprisoned, etc.) and that's pretty much the only card to stop that. Denarius I would play if I had room, but Pilate, no. Mainly because it's once a game and the only way for me to put it in is to drop an Emperor. WoS is a maybe, I might drop it if I can never pull it off. (Even though it is good Drop fodder for Ortho.)

Do u know what Mildewed House does? (Although it may leave my deck later if it has too.) also Hormah's a staple. On LS's, Site-guard is really dumb to play, trust me I used to play it. Site Remove isn't incredibly good and I don't trust Site Doubler. Revealer is fun, but unnessiary though. 2-liner is the best LS in the deck so I wouldn't drop that and Shuffler has saved me more than it's hurt me.

Also, I'm using the new Cherubim who bands to a Green Prophet/Teal Priest/Cherubim and no one would run the old one, and as I previously mentioned, he's there to ensure that I don't have to use Enhancements to win w/ Jacob+Captain.

I agree.  Instaposted.

We obviously have some different opinions and maybe that is related to play style.  You did ask for advice though so I'll try to explain some of those points. 

For Angel at Shur, I was thinking he could only search for humans (thats what most people use him for) but remembering that he can search for your angels makes him much better and probably worth including. 

Wheat and Tares requires a NT Angel so it's not as good. Captains Sword is total trash and not worth playing in the Deck. I dont understand why u think I should drop the 1st Seal because it makes me Immune and is CBI.

First of all the list of enhancements were possible suggestions not all cards to definitely add because I didn't know what you had available.  It seemed possible that you might not have a full collection because you didn't include obvious choices (The Strong Angel) and have things like The First Seal in there.  You can be immune all day long on offence but it wont help you win.  Any decent defence is fine with that.  With Warfare, you have to get initiative to play it (unlikely in this deck), have it not be negated, and played post block defences will still have many good options to stop it.  For Wheat and Tares that was an option primarily if you chose to include an extra NT angel or 2.  Captains Sword is not trash; though not the best, it would have Captain or Michael beat your Gomer+KoT band which you seemed to think was one of your biggest problems. 

As to Romans destroy Jerusalem, it's not good in this meta because not many people are running NT Heroes.

This is just false.  One of the best decks is still some variation on TGT and a lot of people uses mutliple fortresses.  It also gives a +6 for your first strike Romans.

And (unfortunately) ur wrong, lots of cards capture Angels.

Don't think so.  I didn't say that the cards didn't exist, just that it was unlikely that opponents will play them.  You did title this "Anti-Meta" after all.  People rarely play with more than one capture card that can target angels and sometimes none at all. 

I think you underestimate Pilate's ability and it was also to give you another Character with some actual toughness against cards like Thad, Crown of Thorns, Gates of Sam, etc.

I think you greatly overestimate Ortho's ability.  Just about every good offence will have most of the cards in that offence be able to stop him. 

Do u know what Mildewed House does?

 

Ummm yes, its basically worthless.  It sets aside a hero for 2 turns and good offences have plenty of heros so that won't matter.  And the opponent will think "you have to give me a lost soul to set-aside my hero for 2 turns?  Yeah I'll make that trade!"

On LS's, Site-guard is really dumb to play, trust me I used to play it.

Then I don't think you knew how to use it.  The ability to add another character to battle after the opponent plays a CBN battle winner, is very strong.  So much that you might want to add Gates of Hell, also.  It can often be the difference between them winning or not.  Site remover and Site doubler help with the lost soul manipulation and your sites. 

Hormah would be better if you had RDJ in to get rid of Philistine Outpost and 2-liner would be better if you had another way to get rid of it like Just a Hireling.  Speaking of which, I think pairing the Romans with some Pharisees is another good option.