Author Topic: My Anti-Meta Deck help... (Read 12768 times)

megamanlan · « **on:** February 16, 2012, 01:33:23 PM »

I'm working on my Anti-Meta deck (Angel/Emperor Deck)
Which one do u all think would be better?

Jacob or Simeon (Warriors) or Gathering of Angels?

Advantages for Jacob: I can band to any of my Angels and I can Search it (via A@SP)
Disadvantage: He can't beat Gomer/KoT w/ Cap & I can't get him back if he dies.

Advantages for Simeon: He + Cap can beat Gomer/KoT
Disadvantage: NT, so I cant search him, If he dies I can't get him back.

Advantages for GoA: No need for Humans in the Deck. Mike+Cap band. (If against a Gardensiples deck) I can recur it. Can search it using Attending Angel
Disadvantage: Slow... Really slow..., I lose one of my best Charcters for 4 turns, possible that I can't recur it...

What do u all think I should choose?

Updated: Here is the Deck, Note: I am getting Naaman's C&H soon.

Heroes: (9)
Silver
Angel of Warning (TexP)
Attending Angel (TexP)
Cherubim (FF2)
Gabriel (Warriors)
Captain of the Host (Warriors)
Micheal (Kings)
Angel of Shur (P)
The Destroyer

Blue
Jacob (FF)

Good Enhancements: (7)
Silver
Protection of Angels (Pi)
The First Seal
Striking Herod
Angel's Sword

Silver/Green
Spiritual Warfare
Live Coal (FF2)
Wheel within a Wheel (FF2)

Evil Characters: (9)
Gray
Emperor Augustus
Emperor Nero
Emperor Vitellius
Emperor Ortho
Emperor Galba

Brown
Uzzah

Brown/Gold
The Amalekites' Slave

Gray/Black
Scribe

Gray/Orange
The Terrifying Beast

Evil Enhancements: (7)
Gray
Bearing Bad News
Balaam's Disobedience
Night Raid
Israel pays Tribute
Heavy Taxes

Black
Wrath of Satan

Gray/Gold
Expelling the Jews

Artifacts: (3)
Household Idols
Hezekiah's Signet Ring
Gifts of the Magi

Covenants: (1)
Purple
Covenant of Palestine

Sites: (4)
Hormah
Mildewed House
Caesarea Philippi
Chorazin

Fortresses: (3)
Chamber of Angels
Rome
Satan's Seat

Good Domiants: (3)
Son of God (Greek)
New Jerusalem (P)
Angel of the Lord (Greek)

Evil Domiants: (4)
Falling Away
Burial
Destruction of Nehushtan
Christian Martyr

Lost Souls: (7)
LS (First Round)
LS (NT Only)
LS (Shuffler)
LS (2-Liner)
LS (Revealer)
LS (Beggar)
LS (Shut Door)

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #1 on:** February 16, 2012, 01:34:28 PM »

A different offense.

megamanlan · « **Reply #2 on:** February 16, 2012, 01:40:09 PM »

U know that I'm not change my offense. I'm working on what this one could be...

SomeKittens · « **Reply #3 on:** February 16, 2012, 01:43:31 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on February 16, 2012, 01:40:09 PM

U know that I'm not change my offense. I'm working on what this one could be...

You do realize this is the "Deck Advice" section, right? Thus, Pol's giving advice, about your deck....

I agree. Mono (or mainly) Silver won't win you anything, and it's not very anti-meta. Emps have a serious problem against Disciples.

megamanlan · « **Reply #4 on:** February 16, 2012, 01:47:33 PM »

Only against Zealot which I can get rid of. And Augustas hurts them badly.

Yea, I do know that. The main reason why me and plenty of people in my area stopped putting Decks on here was bad advice like that. We want help and suggestions to make it better not 'just ditch the deck' comments or reduce the deck comments. This forum is asking which of these cards would be best for my deck. Not don't use it because of 1 card out there.

Red Wing · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2012, 01:48:23 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on February 16, 2012, 01:47:33 PM

Only against Zealot which I can get rid of.

how do a bunch of 10/1s beat Thad?

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #6 on:** February 16, 2012, 01:48:56 PM »

Most Disciple decks also run Crown of Thorns, which kills half your defense right there.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #7 on:** February 16, 2012, 01:49:08 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on February 16, 2012, 01:48:23 PM

Quote from: megamanlan on February 16, 2012, 01:47:33 PM
Only against Zealot which I can get rid of.
how do a bunch of 10/1s beat Thad?

The bigger worry is Crown of Thorns.

megamanlan · « **Reply #8 on:** February 16, 2012, 02:16:38 PM »

I haven't seen CoT in a deck yet, and for Thad, Stan's Chair stops him cold.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #9 on:** February 16, 2012, 02:19:12 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on February 16, 2012, 02:16:38 PM

I haven't seen CoT in a deck yet, and for Thad, Stan's Chair stops him cold.

Using that logic, I haven't seen Stan's Chair in a deck yet, so I shouldn't worry about that either. You probably won't see many Di decks, but they will stop this cold. Most other meta decks will just outspeed you, using DoN, PH and CA to take out any arts.

Red Wing · « **Reply #10 on:** February 16, 2012, 02:19:49 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on February 16, 2012, 02:16:38 PM

I haven't seen CoT in a deck yet, and for Thad, Stan's Chair stops him cold.

Are you really willing to take that kind of risk? What if you don't if Satan's seat out early enough? Plus My lord & my God takes out Satan's seat. And if you are playing Disciples, there's really no reason not to use CoT.

megamanlan · « **Reply #11 on:** February 16, 2012, 02:20:05 PM »

Quote from: Master Q on February 16, 2012, 02:02:49 PM

I would use a different off + a different def.
If you want to know what to add on your original post (Jacob, Simeon, or GoA), Simeon would be better than Jacob.

Quote from: megamanlan on February 16, 2012, 01:33:23 PM

Advantages for Jacob: I can band to any of my Angels and I can Search it (via A@SP)
Disadvantage: He can't beat Gomer/KoT w/ Cap & I can't get him back if he dies. I think he+Cap do beat Gomer+KoT? Not sure what you are thinking of?

Advantages for GoA: No need for Humans in the Deck. Mike+Cap band. (If against a Gardensiples deck) I can recur it. Can search it using Attending Angel
Disadvantage: Slow... Really slow..., I lose one of my best Charcters for 4 turns, possible that I can't recur it... If you were against my TGDi deck, I don't think you'd have a chance to recur it (assuming you're talking about using Matthew), seeing as the game would probably be over by then.

My Deck runs a slow down strategy. My goal is to force u down to my speed to put us on an even playing field, if not give me the advantage.

And as far as I know, Jacob+Cap doesn't beat Gomer+KoT. The numbers are too low.

Red Wing · « **Reply #12 on:** February 16, 2012, 02:21:59 PM »

Jake=6/5
CotH=10/10

Total=16/15

KoT=10/12
Gomer=3/3

Total=13/15.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 16, 2012, 02:29:00 PM »

Angels/Emperors seems like anti meta to me. Silver gets around Writ and Magic charms, and the BTN gets around Slave, Sabbath Breaker, and Uzzah. The defense isn't particularly good against Sam but should hold its own against Gardenciples and Water TGT.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #14 on:** February 16, 2012, 02:44:43 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on February 16, 2012, 02:20:05 PM

My Deck runs a slow down strategy. My goal is to force u down to my speed to put us on an even playing field, if not give me the advantage.

What would those cards that you use be out of curiosity?

I think silver is a good anti-meta offense but what do you do against Sam and Genesis on the defense?

megamanlan · « **Reply #15 on:** February 16, 2012, 02:52:45 PM »

@Red Wing why would u waste MLaMG on SS when I'm ignoring anyone who can band + Nero's in Battle?

I have RbD & HSR for Sam decks.

Quote from: megamanlan on February 16, 2012, 02:55:48 PM

Quote from: Wings of Music on February 16, 2012, 02:44:43 PM
Quote from: megamanlan on February 16, 2012, 02:20:05 PM
My Deck runs a slow down strategy. My goal is to force u down to my speed to put us on an even playing field, if not give me the advantage.

What would those cards that you use be out of curiosity?

I think silver is a good anti-meta offense but what do you do against Sam and Genesis on the defense?

Well, RbD for Anti-Draw (I might put Gifts in instead) and Signet Ring.
I run Genesis Deck so I know that if they can't Search, they have MAJOR problems, and if u have something like Confusion of Mind or Golden Calf up it is horrid for them.
For Sam HHI and RbD.

Please refrain from double posting, thanks.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #16 on:** February 16, 2012, 02:58:57 PM »

Please, no double posting.

Ok HHI, RBD, and signet ring are all good. I would really recommend Nazzy since search abilities are such a huge part of the meta.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #17 on:** February 16, 2012, 03:00:06 PM »

The main problem with a deck like this is that it's not going to be fast enough to set up to slow down speed decks. Sam decks can deck out in 3-5 turns and Gardensciples aren't that far behind them. This could stop Genesis if down well, but 1/3 isn't cutting it for an anti-meta, especially when one of the themes that will have at least a minor presence in the meta (Disciples) will stomp this deck cold. I like the thought of silver being anti-meta, because technically it is, but I would much rather do something like Green/Silver or Gold/Silver to gain the anti-meta advantages of silver, while still remaining viable as far as actual power goes.

megamanlan · « **Reply #18 on:** February 16, 2012, 03:07:21 PM »

I have stopped Sam decks down to not Decking out or even getting close when I played them. Also, if I use Gifts instead of RbD then it speeds my deck up. Besides, against most Sam decks I get a +4 w/ Villeitus.
Personally, I hate the 'knock-off' Decks (Silver/Green, Silver/any other brigade) and I'm not going to play that. I'd only play a Human to help my angels not take them over.

Also, they don't 'gain the anti-meta' advantages of Silver. That is the Meta.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #19 on:** February 16, 2012, 03:13:36 PM »

I know you have a lot of arts but d you use shroud? That would help you a little bit at least. Gifts over RBD would work except that they are still getting to the cards that they need to beat you defense, so in the interest of restricting Sam, I would say leave RBD.

Also I think that Chronic might have a good idea try splashing some judges in your deck and see if it helps the offense any.

A +4 with Vittles is nice but compared to Sam's +8 it's really nothing... Also how do you manage to block against Sam's banding? (other than HHI)

Red Wing · « **Reply #20 on:** February 16, 2012, 03:16:16 PM »

Heavy Taxes and Balaam's Disobedience are good blocks, but after that, Romans don't really have many other ways to win battles that aren't easily countered.

megamanlan · « **Reply #21 on:** February 16, 2012, 05:09:46 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on February 16, 2012, 03:16:16 PM

Heavy Taxes and Balaam's Disobedience are good blocks, but after that, Romans don't really have many other ways to win battles that aren't easily countered.

Actually Rome let's them use NT Enhacements of any Brigade (including WoS) and it's not the easyist to stop Ortho. My other way of getting around banding, The Terrifying Beast to Agustuas, or Uzzah.

Also, Nazzy is more harmful to me than my opponent. Angels search a LOT and I utilize that.

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #22 on:** February 16, 2012, 05:59:19 PM »

After reading this thread it seems pretty clear that he is not wanting to change his offense, let alone deck, so lets help him with his strategy he wants to run. I don't really understand what you are trying to ask though. Is Simeon to Captain better than Jacob to Captain, or is Gathering better than all? I would not use Gathering in type 1, Jacob bands to Isaiah angels as well as your silver, so that's a plus. However, Simeon bands to opponent's Isaiah, but only your Captain. Both bands beat Gomer/KoT so I'm not sure where you are going with this. If you are running straight silver and want to splash in either Simeon or Jacob, then Jacob by 99%.

Master Q · « **Reply #23 on:** February 16, 2012, 06:56:51 PM »

Quote from: Mr.Hiatus on February 16, 2012, 05:59:19 PM

If you are running straight silver and want to splash in either Simeon or Jacob, then Jacob by 99%.

In a mono-silver deck, you can usually win the battle by the numbers, so you don't need either Simeon or Jacob. I believe Simeon would be better anti-meta, which is what this deck aims to be, since he can band to Sam, John, Peter, Isaiah, Ezek., even Jacob to potentially get the opponent to get rid of his own offense.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #24 on:** February 16, 2012, 07:39:59 PM »

That would only be useful once or twice. If he's running mostly Silver, he won't be able to pack Gold enhancements.

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