Author Topic: Martyrs/Pharisees (Read 4125 times)

Red Wing · « **on:** September 05, 2017, 11:19:05 AM »

So this is the Martyrs list I've been running lately. Obviously I think its good otherwise I wouldn't be running it

, but any advice is appreciated.

50 cards:
Lost Souls
Imitate
Dull
Wanderer
Lawless
Darkness
Crowds
Punisher

Dominants
Son of God
Second Coming
Angel of the Lord
Three Woes
Christian Martyr
Falling Away (CoW)
Mayhem

Neutral
You Will Remain
I Am Creator
I am Gabe
Ends of the Earth
Patmos
Gamaliel's Speech
Fire Foxes

Heroes
Angel From the Sun
Justin Martyr
Polycarp
Claudia
Paul
Stephen
Peter
Barnabas
Watchful Leaders

Good Enhancements
Fifth Seal/Justice Seekers
Elymas Struck Blind
Faith of ~~Isaac~~ Ponder
Faith of Samuel
Overcome!
Mercy of James
Eternal Inheritance
Resurrection of the Martyrs

Evil Characters
Foreign Wives
Emperor Vitellius
Emperor Claudius
Proud Pharisee
The Sanhedrin
The Entrapping Pharisees
The Deciever

Evil Enhancements
Crucify Him!
Seize Him!
Plot to Kill
Scattered
Stone of Thebez

Reserve:
Word of Their Testimony
High Priest Ananias (RoJ)
Uzzah
Blood of the Lamb (RoJ)
John, the Revelator (RoJ)
Created by Christ (PC)
Lot's Wife
Outsiders (Black/Gold) (RoJ)
Peter's Sermon
Sabbath Breaker

Ironisaac · « **Reply #1 on:** September 05, 2017, 11:35:06 AM »

I would keep FW in the reserve, personally. Throne is still a thing, and Endurance of Job will see play now. I might also take out FoSam, as you already have two banding characters, and put in snake into fire instead, as it is cbn on Peter and Stephen, and is still an interrupt that can get rid of an EE or an nonhuman EC.

Quote from: Red Wing on September 05, 2017, 11:19:05 AM

I am Gabe

Also, Cov of Prayer really should get an Errata to be renamed to "I am Gabe"

The Guardian · « **Reply #2 on:** September 05, 2017, 11:52:36 AM »

I'm not sure I'd cut Faith of Sam, but I agree that Snake into the Fire is highly underrated.

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #3 on:** September 05, 2017, 12:48:57 PM »

Quote from: Ironisaac on September 05, 2017, 11:35:06 AM

I would keep FW in the reserve, personally. Throne is still a thing, and Endurance of Job will see play now. I might also take out FoSam, as you already have two banding characters, and put in snake into fire instead, as it is cbn on Peter and Stephen, and is still an interrupt that can get rid of an EE or an nonhuman EC.

FW is in main deck for Stone.

The Guardian · « **Reply #4 on:** September 05, 2017, 12:58:18 PM »

That's a good point, but I think an argument could certainly be made for swapping FW with Lot's Wife--especially when LW can play 3 of the evil battle winners.

Red Wing · « **Reply #5 on:** September 05, 2017, 01:05:18 PM »

The Mayhem block potential puts Wives ahead of LW for me.

Quote from: The Guardian on September 05, 2017, 11:52:36 AM

I'm not sure I'd cut Faith of Sam, but I agree that Snake into the Fire is highly underrated.

Yeah Snake is one of my favorite GEs. Unfortunately we have too many awesome clay enhancements to choose from and Faith of Sam provides a reasonable potential for a draw 8 in one battle (AftS+Justin+Blood+Faith).

The Guardian · « **Reply #6 on:** September 05, 2017, 01:14:03 PM »

I suppose one other factor is how often you find yourself attacking with Peter and Stephen. I could potentially see putting Res. of Martyrs into Reserve (since you already have Gam's) and main-decking Snake IF Pete and Steve were common rescue options for you.

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #7 on:** September 05, 2017, 01:54:28 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on September 05, 2017, 01:14:03 PM

I suppose one other factor is how often you find yourself attacking with Peter and Stephen. I could potentially see putting Res. of Martyrs into Reserve (since you already have Gam's) and main-decking Snake IF Pete and Steve were common rescue options for you.

A large part of the power of this deck comes from having Gam's, Polycarp, and Res all out at the same time, especially since Res gives you Poly back so effectively you have 4 negates on standby if they try to stop any of your battle winners.

Red · « **Reply #8 on:** September 06, 2017, 07:00:05 AM »

I feel like you have wayyyy too few maindeck ways to a hero.

TheJaylor · « **Reply #9 on:** September 06, 2017, 11:14:49 AM »

Quote from: Red on September 06, 2017, 07:00:05 AM

I feel like you have wayyyy too few maindeck ways to a hero.

Between I Am Creator, Covenant of Prayer, and Justice Seekers he does have a couple options to get Heroes out, but yeah, I agree that 8 does seem pretty slim even for a 50 card deck.

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #10 on:** September 06, 2017, 11:19:24 AM »

8 Heroes, 2 dedicated Hero searches (Patmos and IaC), 2 more cards that can get a Hero in a pinch (Justice Seekers and Covenant with Prayer). 12 seems like plenty to me.

The Guardian · « **Reply #11 on:** September 06, 2017, 11:19:45 AM »

And Patmos...with 8 Heroes plus those 4, it's pretty tough to draw an opening hand of 8 and not get any of those. A 50 card deck with Hopper and 12 "Hero options" gives you a 95% chance of having at least one of those 12 in your opening 8 (almost 99% if you go second and draw the first 3).

Obviously Cov Prayer and Justice Seekers aren't ideal for "spending" to get Heroes, but in a pinch they work.

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Red · « **Reply #12 on:** September 06, 2017, 07:14:45 PM »

Quote from: Kevinthedude on September 06, 2017, 11:19:24 AM

8 Heroes, 2 dedicated Hero searches (Patmos and IaC), 2 more cards that can get a Hero in a pinch (Justice Seekers and Covenant with Prayer). 12 seems like plenty to me.

I guess I'm just old school.

Red Wing · « **Reply #13 on:** September 07, 2017, 11:03:23 AM »

Quote from: Master Q on September 06, 2017, 12:29:45 AM

Why no Balaam's Disobedience? Cutting Crucify Him for that makes sense to me, unless there's a secret reason...

Balaam's just isn't what it once was. Eternal Inheritance and Peter's Sermon should be in every clay deck and Angel offenses are a thing now. The ability to win negate wars is very important in this meta and having Woes, G's Speech, Plot and Crucify gives me a pretty good chance. Finally Crucify is NT which helps Entrapping Pharisee.

Quote from: The Guardian on September 06, 2017, 11:19:45 AM

And Patmos...with 8 Heroes plus those 4, it's pretty tough to draw an opening hand of 8 and not get any of those. A 50 card deck with Hopper and 12 "Hero options" gives you a 95% chance of having at least one of those 12 in your opening 8 (almost 99% if you go second and draw the first 3).

Obviously Cov Prayer and Justice Seekers aren't ideal for "spending" to get Heroes, but in a pinch they work.

*Edit--instaposted...but with stats!

Yeah pretty much this. I think I will go with Barnabas over Hopper though.

Ironisaac · « **Reply #14 on:** September 07, 2017, 11:18:09 AM »

Quote from: Red Wing on September 07, 2017, 11:03:23 AM

Quote from: The Guardian on September 06, 2017, 11:19:45 AM
And Patmos...with 8 Heroes plus those 4, it's pretty tough to draw an opening hand of 8 and not get any of those. A 50 card deck with Hopper and 12 "Hero options" gives you a 95% chance of having at least one of those 12 in your opening 8 (almost 99% if you go second and draw the first 3).

Obviously Cov Prayer and Justice Seekers aren't ideal for "spending" to get Heroes, but in a pinch they work.

*Edit--instaposted...but with stats!
Yeah pretty much this. I think I will go with Barnabas over Hopper though.

With awake, imitate, and Mel in the meta, hopper is just too much of a liability imo. plus, Barney gives you another hero, which i agree with Red and KoalaKing, more than 8 is needed.

The Guardian · « **Reply #15 on:** September 07, 2017, 11:44:48 AM »

50 card deck with no Hopper but 13 "options" pushes the odds to 96% going first and 99.1% going second.

Red Wing · « **Reply #16 on:** September 07, 2017, 12:40:48 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on September 07, 2017, 11:44:48 AM

50 card deck with no Hopper but 13 "options" pushes the odds to 96% going first and 99.1% going second.

#deckmetricswithguardian

Do I smell a new LoR series?

The Guardian · « **Reply #17 on:** September 07, 2017, 02:13:33 PM »

Heh, still working on Part 3 of the multi-player series, but perhaps a deck building series will be next after that.

The % are from a simple Excel formula I wrote where you enter the number of non-LS cards and the number of "X" cards (cards you hope to have in opening hand) and it gives the probability of having at least one of those cards in your opening 8, and your opening 11 if you go second.

"X" cards could be your dominants, your Heroes, your ECs, a set of specific counters you included, etc.

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