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Title: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: bmc25 on May 06, 2014, 04:00:01 PM
Is there a type of deck that you would label a "Safe Bet" deck? One that would win 65+% of the games that it is used in, barring too much user error?

Thanks
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: yirgogo on May 06, 2014, 04:02:31 PM
One that is easy to get and not to hard to make is judges offence, and almost any defence, though I run them with canaanites.

Disciples and an NT offence is also a good bet.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: Red on May 06, 2014, 05:49:20 PM
Disciples.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: bmc25 on May 23, 2014, 10:58:29 PM
What enhancements should I be using in a disciples deck?
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: jbeers285 on May 23, 2014, 11:11:19 PM
I'd say drop James and run 10 disciples

For sure
My Lord and My God
Authority of Christ Promo
Passover Hymn

Possibles
Pentecost
Reach of desperation
A New Covenant (Cov/enhancment)
Raising Lazarus
A new commandment
Faith as a Mustard Seed

Probably want to run DoN as well to deal with things like Darius Decree, CwD, confusion of mind

Probably smart to pair with a NT Defense and have herod's temple. Lampstand maybe if you want to use DoN

Just some basic disciples thoughts 
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: YourMathTeacher on May 23, 2014, 11:22:22 PM
I like using a Persian defense with Disciples. Persian Presidents with Raider's Camp active is a lot of fun, since you can capture your own Disciples while they are in the Fishing Boat.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: LukeChips on May 24, 2014, 11:19:55 AM
Angels are pretty sturdy.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: yirgogo on May 24, 2014, 11:27:27 AM
Angels are pretty sturdy.
I think that everyone starts out with angels, and than realizes how slow they are. They can be fast, but not just solid angels. The best "Sturdy deck I believe is Genesis Offense, and than hand control defence, it won nationals.
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/national-tournament-winners/2013-t1-2p-1st-place-deck/ (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/national-tournament-winners/2013-t1-2p-1st-place-deck/)
They can be really good, but it takes a lot of high end cards like Michal, and some rarer enhancments to actually be extreemly competitive, with his 65% ratio he wanted.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: bmc25 on May 24, 2014, 08:48:43 PM
I like the disciples deck, but I worry about the lack of firepower beyond My Lord and my God and Authority of Christ. My offensive enhancement choices were:

My Lord and My God
Authority of Christ Promo
Authority of Peter
Passover Hymn
Pentecost
Reach of desperation
A New Covenant

I am worried about the lack of firepower on offense. There does not seem to be many reliable enhancements beyond AOC and My Lord and my God. Are there enough battle-winners?
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: jbeers285 on May 24, 2014, 09:15:57 PM
I like the disciples deck, but I worry about the lack of firepower beyond My Lord and my God and Authority of Christ. My offensive enhancement choices were:

My Lord and My God
Authority of Christ Promo
Authority of Peter
Passover Hymn
Pentecost
Reach of desperation
A New Covenant

I am worried about the lack of firepower on offense. There does not seem to be many reliable enhancements beyond AOC and My Lord and my God. Are there enough battle-winners?

You don't need the fire power from Enhancments, Thad plus John and Peter with TGT should be enough if your fast enough.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: yirgogo on May 24, 2014, 10:16:44 PM
Magicians or Phillistines I have seen most run with Disciples, though I have never actually done it.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: LukeChips on May 25, 2014, 07:18:27 PM
Philistines run good with disciples?
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: YourMathTeacher on May 25, 2014, 07:32:55 PM
Philistines run good with disciples?

I certainly hope so, since they are together in the new starter decks.  ;)
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: jbeers285 on May 25, 2014, 07:53:20 PM
Philistines don't run well with anything right now
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: yirgogo on May 25, 2014, 08:20:16 PM
Except an Isaiah deck, though that is easliy stopped by Naz.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: Nameless on May 25, 2014, 08:29:32 PM
But then you use Razor and Forrest Fire and you are good.  And if you are playing Isaiah, there is a good chance that you have ASA.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: bmc25 on May 25, 2014, 09:59:32 PM
What color defenses are considered fast?
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: jbeers285 on May 25, 2014, 10:31:27 PM
Pharisees combo with emperors Vit and tib should be a good choice.

Then u can use herod's temple
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: Josh on May 26, 2014, 12:50:18 AM
I like the disciples deck, but I worry about the lack of firepower beyond My Lord and my God and Authority of Christ. My offensive enhancement choices were:

My Lord and My God
Authority of Christ Promo
Authority of Peter
Passover Hymn
Pentecost
Reach of desperation
A New Covenant

I am worried about the lack of firepower on offense. There does not seem to be many reliable enhancements beyond AOC and My Lord and my God. Are there enough battle-winners?

You don't need the fire power from Enhancments, Thad plus John and Peter with TGT should be enough if your fast enough.

Also, AotL and Grapes are standard in any deck that has TGT. 
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: Chris on May 26, 2014, 03:41:46 AM
Angels are pretty sturdy.

Straight angels are far too slow to work well, and they don't have a whole lot of powerful abilities or powerful battlewinners. You're pretty much stuck with Michael with Angel's Sword, Captain of the Host, and The Strong Angel and a small handful of good enhancements. Not worth the time to experiment with. They work wonderfully as a support brigade though, and most top-tier decks will use at least one or two.

The best "Sturdy deck I believe is Genesis Offense, and than hand control defence, it won nationals.
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/national-tournament-winners/2013-t1-2p-1st-place-deck/ (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/national-tournament-winners/2013-t1-2p-1st-place-deck/)
They can be really good, but it takes a lot of high end cards like Michal, and some rarer enhancments to actually be extreemly competitive, with his 65% ratio he wanted.

Genesis isn't innately sturdy. It was piloted by a top player, built by the best player in the game, and was meant to target a specific meta. It's an excellent deck, but needs to be built (or netdecked) and piloted by a top player to see any success, and I don't believe it will be nearly as effective this year. For me, Genesis is a pass.

I am worried about the lack of firepower on offense. There does not seem to be many reliable enhancements beyond AOC and My Lord and my God. Are there enough battle-winners?

In the current meta, enhancements are really more of a backup plan than anything else, and this is especially true of Disciples. Most top players piloting a Disciples deck are likely going to rely on Thaddeus and John (with TGT) to make their rescues, with Herod's Temple on backup. Running a few battlewinners is necessary, but in my opinion, you don't need more than AoCp and MLaMG (with Passover Hymn) to win.

Magicians or Phillistines I have seen most run with Disciples, though I have never actually done it.

The last time Disciples was a serious part of the meta was in 2011, and a lot has changed since then. Philistines, as Josiah mentioned, are essentially dead in the water right now, though Magicians might be up to par right now. Pharisees are likely going to be the most popular defense this season, as they were last year. Disciples has synergy with just about everything, but NT defenses especially, since Herod's Temple is critical to Disciples' success.

But then you use Razor and Forrest Fire and you are good.  And if you are playing Isaiah, there is a good chance that you have ASA.

Isaiah is used in most OT splash offenses, and I think the general consensus right now is that Assyrians aren't worth it, despite some really neat abilities. At any rate, planning a strategy around trying to take out Nazareth is risky at best.

What color defenses are considered fast?

I doubt anyone will argue that grey isn't the fastest defense right now, at least while maintaining overall integrity. Magicians, with a little luck, can be incredibly fast if piloted by a skilled player as well.

Also, AotL and Grapes are standard in any deck that has TGT. 

I'm not aware of any top player using Grapes in any deck right now. My current deck is Disciples with a heavy emphasis on TGT, and it's simply not worth it to me. There are better ways to thin out evil characters without using up those incredibly valuable dominant slots.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: Warrior_Monk on May 26, 2014, 03:44:19 AM
Site lock.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: yirgogo on May 26, 2014, 10:18:31 AM
Also, AotL and Grapes are standard in any deck that has TGT. 

I'm not aware of any top player using Grapes in any deck right now. My current deck is Disciples with a heavy emphasis on TGT, and it's simply not worth it to me. There are better ways to thin out evil characters without using up those incredibly valuable dominant slots.

I play a Judges/Canaanites deck, and Grapes is a free block or a free rescue attempt. I use Lot's wife to band to an opponants evil character, and use Grapes, or I use it when my angel with the secret name is in battle, and he has Wheel within a wheel on him, it is practically a free attempt, unless they have a protected evil character in battle. I would use it with any deck that has a really good banding evil character, or any deck that uses Wheel within a Wheel.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: Chris on May 26, 2014, 02:59:47 PM
I play a Judges/Canaanites deck, and Grapes is a free block or a free rescue attempt. I use Lot's wife to band to an opponants evil character, and use Grapes, or I use it when my angel with the secret name is in battle, and he has Wheel within a wheel on him, it is practically a free attempt, unless they have a protected evil character in battle. I would use it with any deck that has a really good banding evil character, or any deck that uses Wheel within a Wheel.

Grapes specifies "opponent's dominants," meaning Wheel Within a Wheel won't protect it the way you seem to think. I'm not saying Grapes is a bad dominant, but for most people I talk to, it's simply not going to end up one of the seven. jmhartz's assertion that it's a staple in TGT decks is simply not true.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: yirgogo on May 26, 2014, 03:06:34 PM
Okay, didn't realize that, I have been playing it wrong then   :-\
Oh well ;)
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: Warrior_Monk on May 26, 2014, 03:12:22 PM
I play a Judges/Canaanites deck, and Grapes is a free block or a free rescue attempt. I use Lot's wife to band to an opponants evil character, and use Grapes, or I use it when my angel with the secret name is in battle, and he has Wheel within a wheel on him, it is practically a free attempt, unless they have a protected evil character in battle. I would use it with any deck that has a really good banding evil character, or any deck that uses Wheel within a Wheel.

Grapes specifies "opponent's dominants," meaning Wheel Within a Wheel won't protect it the way you seem to think. I'm not saying Grapes is a bad dominant, but for most people I talk to, it's simply not going to end up one of the seven. jmhartz's assertion that it's a staple in TGT decks is simply not true.
Saying "staple" is going too far, IMO, but it can definitely end up one of the seven.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: The Guardian on May 26, 2014, 04:04:49 PM
Quote from: Chris
Straight angels are far too slow to work well

Philistines don't run well with anything right now

An Angels/Philistines deck won MN State  :P
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: Alex_Olijar on May 26, 2014, 04:41:57 PM
Winning tournaments isn't indicative of good decks per se
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: The Guardian on May 26, 2014, 10:19:59 PM
Winning tournaments isn't indicative of good decks per se

Winning a small local may not necessarily indicate a good deck, but winning a State tournament with several current National Champions in the field would point towards a very good player with a very good deck.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: Josh on May 26, 2014, 10:22:37 PM
jmhartz's assertion that it's a staple in TGT decks is simply not true.
Saying "staple" is going too far, IMO, but it can definitely end up one of the seven.

I will admit that I haven't played online since December.  When I last faced/played TGT decks, they ran Grapes as additional EC destruction.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: Warrior_Monk on May 26, 2014, 10:31:04 PM
I will admit that I haven't played online since December.
Neither has Chris.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: Master KChief on May 26, 2014, 11:29:11 PM
So no one knows what they're talking about then. Seems legit.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: Alex_Olijar on May 26, 2014, 11:32:02 PM
Jordan could win states with a rock
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: LukeChips on May 30, 2014, 04:28:01 PM
Dosen't fishing boat destroy site lock?
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: Warrior_Monk on May 30, 2014, 06:35:20 PM
Dosen't fishing boat destroy site lock?
Philistines destroy Disciples, so that's irrelevant.
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: DrowningFish on May 30, 2014, 06:41:01 PM
Dosen't fishing boat destroy site lock?
Philistines destroy Disciples, so that's irrelevant.
And to think. They were originally meant to stop purple kings right?
Title: Re: Looking for a safe bet deck
Post by: yirgogo on May 30, 2014, 07:00:13 PM
I allways they were made to counter some of the red non-banding cards. The Old Jepthah, and the ctb ones that are annoying to beat.
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