Author Topic: Laver Rave (Read 6074 times)

Gabe · « **Reply #25 on:** November 10, 2011, 12:27:34 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on November 10, 2011, 11:52:34 AM

Ok, so that gets one EC out of the way. What about his enhancements and doms?

EE's and EDoms make up 7 cards of his deck. If he hasn't played them already, or Lavered them, he might lose 1, or two tops. Holy unto the Lord is an amazing CBI battle winner that's underrated because it takes some work to avoid getting hurt by it. This deck can do that well.

Red Wing · « **Reply #26 on:** November 10, 2011, 12:40:47 PM »

Quote from: Red Warrior on November 10, 2011, 11:38:37 AM

Awesome advice from everybody on the defense, my gears are turning with a lot more to consider now. Thanks!

Can I get some more feedback on the offense and neutral cards?
I took out Pentecost, but I'm not confident in that decision. It just seemed like a wasted space with the filtering of Laver/Feast of Trumpets with Gates of Hell. I hate to take out Zerubbabel just because he is so much part of the theme (and fun to use, try him in ZT deck some time!)

Dragon Raid is in there for Site Access if Cov w/ Levi is killed, but it has a double-edge... Since Orange is hardly an all-star cast of impenetrable characters, I had the "place-a-guard" lost soul with Dragon raid in there so that when (not if) my opponent kills Prince, I an add another demon from Dragon Raid.

I'd take out J- Tower for Pentecost. Set-aside for one turn and then draw 3 is to good to pass up. It can also be recurred with Joiada. Trumpet Blast is the best teal battle winner other than Zeal and Holy unto the Lord IMHO. Ezra's Journey could probably go for that. Since you don't have Harvest Time or much other Soul generation, the Revealer would probably be better than the */4 LS. Even if it doesn't give you Lost Soul to rescue, you can still bury FAs & SoGs with it.

Red Warrior · « **Reply #27 on:** November 10, 2011, 01:06:22 PM »

Yeah I'll try a few games without JT, I really like being able to "filter" my deck (it's kind of a personal playing style, but since I haven't won a major tournament for like 5 years... lol). In other words, when I attack with Zerubabbel to pull out Joiakim to band to Eliashib in territory to search deck for JT, that's two less cards in my deck while sifting with Laver. Oh well, when I draw it pre-search it's a wasted card.

Our playgroup has been testing the Opp Rescue Rule for a month now... I'm getting really attached to the */4+ lol. It can be a game changer to have NT only, */4, and Demon Shuffler out. They don't want to rescue because you'll shuffle the one they can SoG, so they wait for another LS draw... then I shut Laver down. That's why I used to have Search.
I'll consider Revealer though, and my LS generation issues, great suggestion!

Red Wing · « **Reply #28 on:** November 10, 2011, 01:41:42 PM »

Zerubabbel can still search for a few of your cards even without J-Tower. Good point about the rescue rule change, */4 will be a lot better if that rule is ever instituted. Considering how important your Tabernacle Arts are, you might also consider Eli the Priest instead of Zerubabbel. There is a Teal version & a gold one. He's a Judge so you could Eli's Sound Advice, which is another extremely useful Teal enhancement.

Master Q · « **Reply #29 on:** November 10, 2011, 01:49:54 PM »

No U&T? No Mayhem?

Red Warrior · « **Reply #30 on:** November 10, 2011, 02:29:07 PM »

Master Q
Nice! This why I post decks online (hits... head... against... wall). Thanks, I'll get U&T in there somehow...
I need to steal it out of my Taberninjas deck (Red/Teal). I'm not a "Mayhem in every deck" man myself. I have one in my Abom deck for obvious reasons, but that's it.

As far as Eli, another non-ZT hero is hard to add, especially from Ithamar. Eli's sound advice does make it tempting though...

Red Warrior · « **Reply #31 on:** November 10, 2011, 03:39:23 PM »

Should I go more "artifact theme" and pull GoyS for Lampy and Eli? Pros, Cons?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #32 on:** November 10, 2011, 04:09:47 PM »

Too many arts can clog up a deck. I don't like to have more than 4/5.

Red Warrior · « **Reply #33 on:** November 10, 2011, 05:22:08 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on November 10, 2011, 04:09:47 PM

Too many arts can clog up a deck. I don't like to have more than 4/5.

I tend to agree. My favorite decks usually have Writ, Charms or GiC, CoF and 1 theme artifact.
The fact is drawing an openning hand filled with artifacts can seal your loss.

browarod · « **Reply #34 on:** November 10, 2011, 05:43:47 PM »

My multiplayer deck has, I think, 6 artifacts, and that's the most I ever put in a deck.

Red Warrior · « **Reply #35 on:** November 13, 2011, 10:38:08 PM »

Update:
I'm going to try running the deck this week without JT in it, so that has been removed from the forts.
I used the spot to add Holy of Holies.

I had Ezra's Journey in for theme reasons (and Zerubbabel search), but with Zeal added I ended up cutting Jordan Interrupted (for Pentecost) and then swapped Ezra's Journey for Jehoida's Strength.

Suggestions Wanted

1) What do you think of Silver Trumpets in this deck?

2) Legion doesn't really do anything for me... Taking a look at the demons I have, what would be the next pick for a character and why?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #36 on:** November 14, 2011, 09:59:16 AM »

1.) TST is only really useful with Ahemilek.

Red Wing · « **Reply #37 on:** November 14, 2011, 11:54:17 AM »

2. I'd use SWS or Demon behind the Idol. Seven Wicked Spirits can steal opponents ECs to help out your offense. Trembling Demon is great for Initiative (1/1) and can recur orange enhancements when you're decked, but he is discarded after battle unless you have an Idol up.

Also, what's crown of thorns for? I'd go with Writ instead.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #38 on:** November 14, 2011, 01:02:44 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on November 14, 2011, 11:54:17 AM

Also, what's crown of thorns for? I'd go with Writ instead.

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on November 09, 2011, 05:33:36 PM

Yeah, the point is to recur Trembling with Wandering Spirit. Just don't search if you get it set up, because it is extremely tough to beat. Not a lot of characters will get initative against your 3/1 Wandering Spirit, and even if they do Trembling will already be discarded.

Red Warrior · « **Reply #39 on:** November 14, 2011, 01:07:59 PM »

*instaposted*
Crown of Thorns is to decrease opportunity for opponents to stop Wandering Spirit & Trembling Demon combo (make a 3/1 demon that protects LS from rescue).

HoH stops Trembling Demon's "built-in" negate, but being a 3/7 means that there is plenty of room for interrupts and negates on GEs. It also opens up a door for kill-types that Wandering Spirit doesn't bottom-deck against (Remove from Game, etc.)

Thanks for the input on the Orange ECs! I'll be thinking hard about filling this deck slot.

Red Warrior · « **Reply #40 on:** November 16, 2011, 01:00:59 AM »

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Evil Characters (10)
Seven Sons of Sceva
Gomer
Evil Spawn
~~Legion~~ (_______)
Trembling Demon
Wandering Spirit
Spirit of Temptation
Fallen Angel
King of Tyrus
Prince of This World

Open Evil Character Slot Top Picks (in no particular order)
---Strong Demon
---Demon Behind the Idol
---Seven Wicked Spirits
---The Thief
---King Manasseh
Which one should I pick and why?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #41 on:** November 16, 2011, 09:37:18 AM »

SWS would be my top pick. He can steal any EC on the table.

Red Wing · « **Reply #42 on:** November 16, 2011, 10:58:13 AM »

Manny would be fun for his banding and auto-block capability, but SWS can steal any EC like kittens said, so he might be the better choice. Strong Demon could be nice for early blocks, but you already have KoT and PoTW for that. I'd go with SWS.

Gabe · « **Reply #43 on:** November 16, 2011, 11:13:20 AM »

The Thief. SWS is nice in T2 where people have to play defense, but too many people don't have enough defense worth stealing in T1. I've found SWS to be mostly ineffective in that format. The Thief on the other hand is large enough to block FBTN characters and win. The random discard will also win you a battle and even hit a Dom on occasion.

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Author Topic: Laver Rave (Read 6074 times)

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