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Re: kiss your defense goodbye.defenseless
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2009, 09:48:41 PM »
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Maybe I'm not reading this right, but if this deck is defenseless - as the title of the thread says....then why is there defensive ECs in it?  Am I confused??? 
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Re: kiss your defense goodbye.defenseless
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2009, 09:55:57 PM »
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theres 1 lol

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Re: kiss your defense goodbye.
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2009, 10:08:29 PM »
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Realistically if you draw a lot of LSs you're defense is too weak to stop you from losing.  Therefore, I see 2 decent options.

What about bumping the deck up to 63-70, with all of that devoted to defense?  If you are dependent on getting The Destroyer back with Cov. of Eden +  CoA, to counter a civilization defense with a protect fort, you are already saying you are willing to hang out for a while to win. Why not just make it official?

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Re: kiss your defense goodbye.defenseless
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2009, 10:50:58 PM »
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This is just an updated version of an old deck.  Better players will know how to play their cards against it.

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Re: kiss your defense goodbye.defenseless
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2009, 11:11:43 PM »
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MJB, playing with more defense is dangerous because if you play against somebody that is also using that color then your Garden Tomb is completely worthless.

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Re: kiss your defense goodbye.defenseless
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2009, 11:38:19 PM »
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MJB, playing with more defense is dangerous because if you play against somebody that is also using that color then your Garden Tomb is completely worthless.

I'm talking about a considerably beefed up single-stop defense.  Right now, he's at 52 so you are talking about 10 cards to get you to 63. I would think something like the following

    Uzzah
    Trembling Demon
    King Zimri
    Emp. Otho

    Torment
    Death of Unrighteous
    Lying Unto God
    Love of Money

    Hormah

    Holy of Holies

would give you quite a bit of bang for the buck.

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Re: kiss your defense goodbye.defenseless
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2009, 11:55:48 PM »
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Why Death of Unrighteous?

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Re: kiss your defense goodbye.defenseless
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2009, 03:02:16 AM »
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Why Death of Unrighteous?

I'm not really committed to that card, but my reasoning was as follows...

xCaLeBx has Women as Snares in his deck--and he really needs to keep it. If you add Death of Unrighteous, you can hope that you pull it first and can actually win a block with WoS. Of course that's if you draw it first, and if you get initiative with a 6/7, and then the ECs get shuffled... OK, that's not a good choice.

What about pulling DoU for another multi-color NT evil enhancement?  Maybe Dance of Death or something.

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Re: kiss your defense goodbye.defenseless
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2009, 03:10:32 AM »
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I'd go with lurking.
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Re: kiss your defense goodbye.defenseless
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2009, 07:09:42 AM »
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Why isn't anyone even considering E Ward? Does this deck not like using capture?
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Re: kiss your defense goodbye.defenseless
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2009, 08:51:31 AM »
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updie dated @MJB: why the heck would I use Love of money?

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Re: kiss your defense goodbye.defenseless
« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2009, 10:14:33 AM »
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updie dated @MJB: why the heck would I use Love of money?

For the same reason you should ignore RR's suggestion of going with Lurking. (Sorry, RR.)

You aren't trying to win a battle using enhancements; you are trying to win the battle by discarding enhancements. Any of the multicolor NT enhancements can be discarded by both Zimri and Otho to fulfill their SA. So all you need is any enhancement plus either suicider.  (In this case although any NT Crimson EE would be enough, I would go with multi-color for the reason outlined below.)

Why isn't anyone even considering E Ward? Does this deck not like using capture?

Because I was trying to limit myself to 10 cards to fit into xCaLeBx's deck, and it feels to me that there are more heroes protected from capture than protected from discard. E. Warden is also limited to singleton human heroes. If your opponent bands or rescues with an Angel, you are out of luck.

If xCaLeBx were willing to sacrifice two offensive cards cards, I would swap in E. Warden and another multi-color NT enhancement.  Then you have enhancements that can be discarded to trigger Zimri's, Otho's, and E. Warden's SA.  Mix and match any enhancement for any blocker. Add in Torment to resurrect a discarded guy and you have a second block.

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Re: kiss your defense goodbye.defenseless
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2009, 11:28:24 AM »
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If Warden goes in, add in Philosophy with him. ET can recur it.

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Re: kiss your defense goodbye.defenseless
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2009, 11:49:03 AM »
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where is ET? and is'nt lurking NT?

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Re: kiss your defense goodbye.defenseless
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2009, 12:06:28 PM »
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Lurking is OT.  The evil side of Philosophy is also OT (good side is NT).
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Re: kiss your defense goodbye.defenseless
« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2009, 12:10:41 PM »
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If Warden goes in, add in Philosophy with him. ET can recur it.
The problem with Philosophy is that it is an OT EE, which makes it less useful with Otho. I'm also not sure xCaLeBx wants to "waste" a RA to retrieve a evil card, but I may be mis-apprehending his playing style.

where is ET? and is'nt lurking NT?
According to the REG, Lurking has a Psalms reference. I didn't verify that on the card, however.

Lurking is OT.  The evil side of Philosophy is also OT (good side is NT).
What Gabe said--instaposted.

True Story that Illustrates the Difference Between Gabe and Myself: Gabe knew beforehand that Philosophy was OT when played as an evil enhancement. I didn't figure that out until I was playing in a tournament and I tried to use it with Emp. Otho to discard all cards in battle.  :(
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Re: kiss your defense goodbye.defenseless
« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2009, 01:05:07 PM »
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I count 4 ECs.  I am still confused.
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Re: kiss your defense goodbye.
« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2009, 02:55:14 PM »
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updie dated @MJB: why the heck would I use Love of money?

For the same reason you should ignore RR's suggestion of going with Lurking. (Sorry, RR.)
No worries you are right, I forgot it is Psalms? Most AW cards are NT.
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