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« on: July 25, 2012, 01:05:07 AM »
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LS-8
Hopper
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1st round
Female
NT only
Revealer
Wanderer
CBP

Dom's 7
SoG
NJ
Grapes
AotL
GoYS
Mayhem
FA


Forts 2
Storehouse
TGT

Arts 3
RBD
Samaritan WJ
Captured Ark

Heroes 13
Sam
Mary Mother of James
Mary Mag
Joanna
Salome
David (green warrior class)
King Saul
AUtO
Isaiah
King Hez
Woman at the Well
Strong Angel
Gideon

Enhancements 6
pentecost
Isaiahs Call
Wheel within a Wheel
He is Risen
Sam's Edict
Provisions

Evil Characters 6
dreaming
Cupbearer
Baker
Egyptians Magicians
Ammy Slave
Egyptian Horseman

EE 5
Wonders Forgotten
Egyptian Horses
Swift Horses
Failed Objective
7 Yrs of Plenty

I'm looking for any Critiques or advice on this.
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Re: Sam's Water Garden Egpytians
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2012, 03:29:26 AM »
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You're trying to do way too many things. Frankly I'm shocked you were able to squeeze this in to 56 at all. But if you want to do this mashup, you need either GoyS or FA, perhaps both. DoN and Burial are probably your best bets for replacement.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2012, 08:07:19 AM »
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This is actually in 50 I was thinking the same thing about GoYS and FA. I'm worried about dropping DoN bc then I have no way to deal with RBD, charms, unholy writ, CwD ect.
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Re: Sam's Water Garden Egpytians
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2012, 08:15:25 AM »
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This is a curious deck... Have you ever played a game with it?
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2012, 08:17:42 AM »
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I have played a couple games against the T-1 regional Champ from the Kentucky tournament and
It's 1 and 1 but I've made improvements since then.

It's all over the place but for some reason it has some flow.
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Re: Sam's Water Garden Egpytians
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2012, 10:26:09 AM »
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Out:  FA, GoYS, PoC, Egyptian Archer
Replace with: AotL, Grapes, Captured Ark, Swift Horses (gold)
Add: WoP, UW, (Hidden Treasures + Spiritual Warfare -or- Reach + AoCP)

I don't like FA or GoYS anymore.  If your opponent is playing them, then they are probably also playing a speed deck and you have a 50% chance of getting yours before them and a 50% chance of a dead card.  And there's also a good chance that they aren't playing them at all in which case they are also useless in your deck.  Either way, I'd rather go with AotL and Grapes which can help you get a couple extra LSs (or even as a block with Grapes).

I don't like PoC in your deck as he's only there for playing Pentecost.  Maybe if you added a Zeal for the Lord, but otherwise, your not going to be wanting to attack with him and open yourself to whatever nastiness your opponent can do to you.

I also don't like Egyptian Archer in this deck.  Sure he may snipe one hero, but he doesn't help your Genesis Egyptians with their drawing (which is their main purpose in this deck), and his numbers won't often give you init to play one of your 2 CBN battle winners.  And you have enough banding without him.

If you're worried about your opponent's defensive artifacts (and you should be), then besides keeping DoN, you should also add Captured Ark.  That can help you twice.  You should also add Swift Horses (evil gold) to increase your speed and give you another way to interrupt a battle to play one of your 2 CBN battle winners.

If you want to stay at 50 cards, I'd just go with that.  But with a deck this fast, I don't see much downside to going up a few more cards.  Personally I'd really like to see Wall of Protection in this deck so that you don't have to worry about your own characters helping your opponent's offense or defense.  I'd also really like to see Unholy Writ.  Your artifact pile isn't getting much use and this can sometimes get you a block by itself.  I'd also like to see a Confusion of Mind.  A lot of decks will be hard pressed to have 2 GEs or 1 GDom that they are willing to give up, and it will mess up a lot of their heroes in the meantime.

Then I would add in one more battle winner combo.  I'd either stick with the green David and add Hidden Treasures + Spiritual Warfare, or I'd change David to purple and add Reach of Desperation + AoCP.

That would put you at 55.  You could either stay there, or you could add 1 more LS and 1 more Dom to play at 57 and have 8 dominants (probably adding back in the GoYS).

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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2012, 10:53:26 AM »
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I don't like PoC in your deck as he's only there for playing Pentecost.  Maybe if you added a Zeal for the Lord, but otherwise, your not going to be wanting to attack with him and open yourself to whatever nastiness your opponent can do to you.

This is true except he is awesome
Early game to either search a Dom
Or get a walk by. I under stand pulling him though plus it would save me money if I pull him.

I also don't like Egyptian Archer in this deck.  Sure he may snipe one hero, but he doesn't help your Genesis Egyptians with their drawing (which is their main purpose in this deck), and his numbers won't often give you init to play one of your 2 CBN battle winners.  And you have enough banding without him.

What about the snipe/failed objective combo? Still not worth adding in?



As far as speed is concerned do you think the defense is strong enough to last long enough to draw 57?

Because I am not playing Pharaoh's Throne Room I'm scared of play AoCP in my deck bc I would only want it for end of the game situations. 

Wall is def one I would add of I go over 50.


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Re: Sam's Water Garden Egpytians
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2012, 01:45:11 PM »
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As far as speed is concerned do you think the defense is strong enough to last long enough to draw 57?
I think you'll get through enough of it to make it worth it.  And remember that I suggested adding Swift Horses (+3) and possibly Reach of Desperation (+3), which would compensate for those extra cards.

Because I am not playing Pharaoh's Throne Room I'm scared of play AoCP in my deck
Realistically you're not going to have defense down in your territory anyway.  You only have a handful of enhs in your whole deck, so you should always have room in your hand to hide an EC or 2.  And your blocks will work better that way anyway.

Several of your ECs disappear when you use them (TAS, Cupbearer, Baker), and even Magicians or Dreaming will disappear when you use Failed Objective.  The only way I see your AoCP hurting yourself is if you had JUST blocked with Magicians or Dreaming and pulled off Wonders Forgotten returning to your territory.

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Re: Sam's Water Garden Egpytians
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2012, 02:06:47 PM »
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Bear in mind Mark's a turtle player. Great player, but big-minded nonetheless.

I think you definitely want 50 with what you're going for, no question. GoyS and FA are literally must-haves in a Speed deck; sure, one or both can sometimes be a dead card, but no other two cards together are a potential +2 in the turn race. Just don't take out AotL or Grapes for them.
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2012, 02:08:17 PM »
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So blocking out of hand would I be better off to drop storehouse, 7 years and the dreaming pharaoh, baker for perhaps
Giant Egyptian, Egyptian horsemen, Egyptian Charioteers, Egyptian Archer back in?


Perhaps I'll try both styles on RTS and see what I like better from there.
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Re: Sam's Water Garden Egpytians
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2012, 03:02:05 PM »
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So blocking out of hand would I be better off to drop storehouse, 7 years and the dreaming pharaoh, baker for perhaps Giant Egyptian, Egyptian horsemen, Egyptian Charioteers, Egyptian Archer back in?
No, that is NOT the way to go.  You're building a speed deck, so taking out all your drawing Egyptians is a BAD idea.  Besides those other Egyptians you are talking about won't get you any real blocks anyway.  You're not really going for blocks anyway with a speed deck.  You just want to draw tons of cards so that you can take 5 LSs before your opponent.  Most of your blocks will be putting Egyptians down to create LSs (TAS, Cupbearer) or draw (Dreaming, Baker, Magicians).  If you happen to have Failed Objective in your hand at the time and are given init, you can use it to get 1 block, and the same with Wonders Forgotten.  But most of the time you'll just hope that you get to 5 first.

Perhaps I'll try both styles on RTS and see what I like better from there.
I think this is a great idea.  Try it at 50 (with the FA/GoYS) like Pol suggests, and then at 57 (without the FA) like I suggest.  See which way you like better.  Pol is correct that I am a turtle player, and therefore bigger is better in my book.  But you have to find your own style.

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Re: Sam's Water Garden Egpytians
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2012, 03:16:42 PM »
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Would you mind explaining what you are trying to do? Also drop three liner for CBP soul and switch burial for harvest time.
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2012, 03:39:29 PM »
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That's not a bad idea except I may go FA instead of Harvest time

I have 3 soul gen cards

I am aiming to produce a character driven speed deck using several of the strongest parts of elite decks currently in the game.
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Re: Sam's Water Garden Egpytians
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2012, 04:30:49 PM »
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That's not a bad idea except I may go FA instead of Harvest time

I have 3 soul gen cards

I am aiming to produce a character driven speed deck using several of the strongest parts of elite decks currently in the game.
3 is never enough. I play 5 in a 50 card deck and still don't have enough to rescue. Also I still have no idea to the decks strategey. You have so many different cards on offnese and all of them are trying to do something else.
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2012, 04:38:39 PM »
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We will have to play so you can see
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