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Re: Image of the Beast and Golden Sensor, Staples?
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2017, 01:37:02 PM »
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Quote from: The Guardian on June 28, 2017, 01:53:22 PM
Abomination of Desolation, Priests of Zeus, Desecrate the Temple and Partners with Demons can hit Woes either as good or evil.

Depending on if its played as good or evil you can use various other enhancements to discard it.

How can Desecrate hit T3W if it's played as evil? It only drops Good Dominants
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Re: Image of the Beast and Golden Sensor, Staples?
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2017, 01:41:42 PM »
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Ah right, it does specify good dominant--been awhile since I've used it. Good catch.  8)
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Re: Image of the Beast and Golden Sensor, Staples?
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2017, 01:45:15 PM »
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Could ya'll explain to me why Joy (EC) can be played on Moses? Doesn't he negate it?
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Re: Image of the Beast and Golden Sensor, Staples?
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2017, 01:50:49 PM »
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Quote from: bluefrog1288 on June 29, 2017, 01:45:15 PM
Could ya'll explain to me why Joy (EC) can be played on Moses? Doesn't he negate it?
Parts of abilities that make other things Cannot be Negated inherently cannot be negated. So in this case, Moses would be negating the 7/0 increase and protection from decrease on Joy, but not it's "Hero's special ability cannot be negated" part. Michael (Wa, Ki, or AW), Sisera, and Abel's Sacrifice are other examples of cards that cannot be negated for this reason.

What I'm not sure about is whether or not the "place" part of Joy would be negated. I know it can't be negated after it's placed but beforehand, I'm not positive. It's probably in the REG somewhere under "Placed".
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Re: Image of the Beast and Golden Sensor, Staples?
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2017, 01:53:10 PM »
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Quote from: bluefrog1288 on June 29, 2017, 01:45:15 PM
Could ya'll explain to me why Joy (EC) can be played on Moses? Doesn't he negate it?

If you play Joy in battle and place it on your Moses in territory, Moses would not negate it because his ability is a prevent at that point and Joy has already activated.

Once Joy is placed, the place ability cannot be negated in a later phase (because it has completed). So as long as Joy is placed on Moses it makes him "cannot be negated" and abilities that make other cards "cannot be negated" cannot be negated themselves.
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Re: Image of the Beast and Golden Sensor, Staples?
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2017, 01:58:38 PM »
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Whoa  :o

Learning these very precise rules is proving difficult but doable.
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Re: Image of the Beast and Golden Sensor, Staples?
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2017, 04:06:37 PM »
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Quote from: bluefrog1288 on June 29, 2017, 01:58:38 PM
Whoa  :o

Learning these very precise rules is proving difficult but doable.

Hang in There! You will get it! :)
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Re: Image of the Beast and Golden Sensor, Staples?
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2017, 09:25:53 PM »
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Yeah abilities can be tricky at times but for the original topic concerning iotb and gs things like paying taxes, treasures of war, captured ark, are all decent answers. The priest of Zeus is another great option and is tc cbi so it can be very hard to deal with and isn't necessarily stopped by Moses.  The biggest thing about those 2 and 3 woes is that it is harder to depend on cards that just sit in territories. So if they are bothering you that much you can always build around it a bit. I wouldn't say those 3 are staples but you will likely see 1 or 2 for sure in any given deck due to their flexibility.
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Re: Image of the Beast and Golden Sensor, Staples?
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2017, 09:43:12 PM »
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Thanks for the advice!

I don't think they bother me as much as I want to get some answer for them.  I felt like my deck was SOLID at states, granted I was playing a National Champ, but I feel like my deck's defense got pummeled, just plain pummeled.
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Re: Image of the Beast and Golden Sensor, Staples?
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2017, 10:13:33 PM »
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Quote from: bluefrog1288 on June 29, 2017, 09:43:12 PM
Thanks for the advice!

I don't think they bother me as much as I want to get some answer for them.  I felt like my deck was SOLID at states, granted I was playing a National Champ, but I feel like my deck's defense got pummeled, just plain pummeled.

Yeah defenses are tricky to build since there are so many things on offense that are good and variable. If you send me a pm I can try to address what more specifically gave you issues and some options to consider for the defense you're running.
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Re: Image of the Beast and Golden Sensor, Staples?
« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2017, 12:33:13 PM »
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I was thinking more about the original question and while I don't think they are necessarily "staples," I think that if someone does not have a Three Woes, they should definitely run at least one of these two (maybe both if they have room). Personally, if I had a deck that did not have 3 Woes, I would probably run one of them in the main deck and the other in the Reserve (the one in the Reserve depending on what Reserve access I had available in the main deck).

I do have a T1 deck currently built that has 3 Woes and Censer in the main deck and then Image in the Reserve because I have the Brown/Crimson Outsiders as an easy way to pull it out.
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Re: Image of the Beast and Golden Sensor, Staples?
« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2017, 01:06:18 PM »
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What do you do if you have opened two boxes and some packs at tournaments and still have gotten either?  :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: Image of the Beast and Golden Sensor, Staples?
« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2017, 01:36:48 PM »
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Quote from: bluefrog1288 on July 14, 2017, 01:06:18 PM
What do you do if you have opened two boxes and some packs at tournaments and still have gotten either?  :laugh: :laugh:

Then it's time to starting making some trades  8)
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Re: Image of the Beast and Golden Sensor, Staples?
« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2017, 01:41:34 PM »
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Quote from: bluefrog1288 on July 14, 2017, 01:06:18 PM
What do you do if you have opened two boxes and some packs at tournaments and still have gotten either?  :laugh: :laugh:

Don't feel too bad...I had 3 boxes of ROJ and only got one of each. Now granted my UR pull ability is very good...or so they say on the forums...LOL
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