Author Topic: Image of the Beast and Golden Sensor, Staples? (Read 6085 times)

bluefrog1288 · « **on:** June 28, 2017, 09:37:12 AM »

Hi everyone!

I learned a ton playing at the Texas State tournament this weekend, and I have begun browsing lackey to get better handle on ROJ and COW. It seems to me that Golden Sensor and Image of the Beast are clear requirements in this game now. Simply to counter 3 woes. I have never been a fan of the concept of staple cards beyond SoG, AotL, and CM, but you gotta play to win. Or maybe its time sprinkle in more artifact destroying enhancements?

bmc25 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 28, 2017, 09:41:26 AM »

Dominants can't be negated. Both of the cards you mentioned are very good, but they can't negate three woes.

bluefrog1288 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 28, 2017, 09:45:49 AM »

Ah! Thank you.

Would there be a major concern if you used a Lampstand of the Sanctuary to mitigate Three Woes coming after your heroes? Or is protection super easy to bypass?

bluefrog1288 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 28, 2017, 09:50:53 AM »

Shoot let me explain a little better, haha.

I found IotB and GS shutting down my artifacts I have in place like cake. (Annoying)
Then 3 Woes shutting down Moses (REALLY ANNOYING) He is one of my major defensive cards because of his ability. I LOVE CoW cards, but is RoJ going to be king from now on?

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #4 on:** June 28, 2017, 09:52:38 AM »

you can't protect from being negated. lampstand doesn't stop 3woes or those artifacts from negating anything

bluefrog1288 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 28, 2017, 09:54:56 AM »

Dang it....

Yeah, still learning Redemption lingo. Okay then, Partners with Demons it is then XD.

But Lampstand of the Sanctuary would protect against CM? Because it discards?

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #6 on:** June 28, 2017, 09:57:59 AM »

Yes lampstand would protect against CM outside of battle

Jeremystair · « **Reply #7 on:** June 28, 2017, 09:58:04 AM »

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on June 28, 2017, 09:52:38 AM

you can't protect from being negated. lampstand doesn't stop 3woes or those artifacts from negating anything

Lampstand does protect against the three woes if it's played as an evil dominant.

bluefrog1288 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 28, 2017, 10:00:17 AM »

That's what I was going for in this instance...now I am confused.

Red Wing · « **Reply #9 on:** June 28, 2017, 10:02:09 AM »

Quote from: Jeremystair on June 28, 2017, 09:58:04 AM

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on June 28, 2017, 09:52:38 AM
you can't protect from being negated. lampstand doesn't stop 3woes or those artifacts from negating anything

Lampstand does protect against the three woes if it's played as an evil dominant.

Negates target abilities. That's why you can still negate a protected CoW Gideon for example.

bluefrog1288 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 28, 2017, 10:08:18 AM »

Could you elaborate? Are you referring to 3W?

The Guardian · « **Reply #11 on:** June 28, 2017, 10:15:31 AM »

Lampstand does not protect cards from an evil Three Woes.

As for your trouble with Image and Censer, I would recommend Treasures of War and/or Paying Taxes (especially if they are kind enough to negate your Moses).

Ironisaac · « **Reply #12 on:** June 28, 2017, 10:26:56 AM »

The black/gold outsiders is nice for getting rid of problematic cards.

Josh · « **Reply #13 on:** June 28, 2017, 10:34:46 AM »

Quote from: Ironisaac on June 28, 2017, 10:26:56 AM

The black/gold outsiders is nice for ~~getting rid of problematic cards~~ rolling over your opponent with its insane ability

Fixed that for you

bluefrog1288 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 28, 2017, 10:46:49 AM »

Haha, thanks ya'll. That last couple posts made me lawl!

Jeremystair · « **Reply #15 on:** June 28, 2017, 11:22:16 AM »

Quote from: The Guardian on June 28, 2017, 10:15:31 AM

Lampstand does not protect cards from an evil Three Woes.

I'm having a hard time understanding why, can you elaborate?

kariusvega · « **Reply #16 on:** June 28, 2017, 11:46:02 AM »

Quote from: Jeremystair on June 28, 2017, 11:22:16 AM

Quote from: The Guardian on June 28, 2017, 10:15:31 AM
Lampstand does not protect cards from an evil Three Woes.

I'm having a hard time understanding why, can you elaborate?

Negate targets abilities. Same goes for protect Fortresses (Areopagus protects your Greeks from good cards, but they can still be targeted by say a Moses or Golden Censer from territory to be negated even though they couldn't be say discarded or converted)

Master Q · « **Reply #17 on:** June 28, 2017, 12:03:24 PM »

Quote from: kariusvega on June 28, 2017, 11:46:02 AM

Negate targets abilities. Same goes for protect Fortresses (Areopagus protects your Greeks from good cards, but they can still be targeted by say a Moses or Golden Censer from territory to be negated even though they couldn't be say discarded or converted)

Pretty much this.

As far as IotB and GC are concerned, I don't recall seeing anyone use them besides myself. They're nice, but not staples. If they could stop 3 Woes somehow, they'd probably be staples.

As far as making Moses unstoppable, there's always this:

Spoiler (hover to show)

I've toyed with using that (in the Reserve) for a certain Hero, but other things have been more useful.

Jeremystair · « **Reply #18 on:** June 28, 2017, 12:04:24 PM »

I get what you're saying except for lampstand of the sanctuary says protect all cards not in battle from Evil dominant. (Grim-Reaper icons) it sounds to me like the cards are protected from the Grim Reaper icon. Kind of like how signet-ring is targeting me as a player. I could see how the three woes could Target lampstand of the sanctuary to negate it's protect ability. But I still don't see how it can Target Moses in a territory if he's protected from Evil dominants. (Grim-Reaper icons)

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #19 on:** June 28, 2017, 01:22:58 PM »

Protection applies to cards, negates target abilities.

Why do you think Three Woes can target a protected Lampstand (because it protects itself), but not anything else it's protecting? If Lampstand is a valid target, so is anything else it's protecting.

Adevine · « **Reply #20 on:** June 28, 2017, 01:41:02 PM »

So what cards would help stop 3woes then? Read all the posts and got confused.

. Also, for my sake, say I play three woes...so I negate just one card each round, correct?

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #21 on:** June 28, 2017, 01:51:00 PM »

discard it from territory or use CBN/CBI stuff

The Guardian · « **Reply #22 on:** June 28, 2017, 01:53:22 PM »

Abomination of Desolation, Priests of Zeus, ~~Desecrate the Temple~~ and Partners with Demons can hit Woes either as good or evil.

Depending on if its played as good or evil you can use various other enhancements to discard it.

Jeremystair · « **Reply #23 on:** June 28, 2017, 02:32:16 PM »

Quote from: RedemptionAggie on June 28, 2017, 01:22:58 PM

Protection applies to cards, negates target abilities.

Why do you think Three Woes can target a protected Lampstand (because it protects itself), but not anything else it's protecting? If Lampstand is a valid target, so is anything else it's protecting.

So you're saying if gopher wood which protects Noah's Ark is on Noah's Ark you can still negate Noah's Ark and the characters in Noah's Ark just sit there?

The Guardian · « **Reply #24 on:** June 28, 2017, 02:51:44 PM »

That is correct.

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Author Topic: Image of the Beast and Golden Sensor, Staples? (Read 6085 times)

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