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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Deck Building & Design => Type 1 Deck Advice => Topic started by: Red Wing on October 26, 2011, 04:36:52 PM
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Cards in deck: 63
LSs 8
Site-Doubler
Revealer
3-liner
Shuffles NT LS
Hand Discard
Anti-burial
Female only
Anti-Angel
Doms 9
SoG
AoTL
NJ
GoYS
Grapes
DoN
CM
Burial
FA
Arts/Covs/Curses 7
Plagued with Diseases
I am Redemption
Davie's Harp
Writ
Lampy
I am Healing
WoNL
Sites 5
DR
Samaria x4
Forts 4
Goshen
Gates of Jerusalem
Judges Seat
Solomon's Temple
Heroes 7
Samuel
Zaccheus
Samson
Jair
Gideon
Angel under the Oak
Angel with a Secret Name
GEs 9
Ehud's Dagger
Convincing Miracle
Sword against Sword
Battle Prayer
Shibboleth
Debs Directive
Sams Edict
BF
ECs 12
Haman
Persian Presidents
Jezebel
King Ahab
King Jehoash
King Omri
King Jeroboam
King Nabab
Ammy's Slave
Uzzah
Abimelech
King Saul
EEs 10
IoJ
Plot
Wickedness of the Tenants
Land Purchase
Shimei's Malicious Curse
Stiff-Necked
Breaking Jerusalem's Wall
Korah's Rebellion
Gib Trick
Zeleophead's Sin
I got the idea of this deck from http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/complete-decks/2010-nationals-t1-2p-3rd-place/
I'm basically trying to make pick off a few ECs with Seat, destroy opponent's offense with my defense, and then walk in with unstoppable judges. I've edited out the black, so I can focus on the brown. I've also bumped it up to 63 with a little more offense and haman & Persian Presidents. This is completely untested. I also want something that might get me some freebies early: Moses or CoTH?
Any thoughts?
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If you want to destroy your opponents D then you definently need Woman as Snares.
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If you want to destroy your opponents D then you definently need Woman as Snares.
WoS might be nice, but I don't have any PG EEs, so I don't know if that would be worth it. Also, what would take out? :dunno:
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I think there are stronger offenses for Herolite. Maybe try Isaiah or tiny Genesis (Zeb + Joseph + Rachel + Judah).
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I think there are stronger offenses for Herolite. Maybe try Isaiah or tiny Genesis (Zeb + Joseph + Rachel + Judah).
Yeah, maybe, but I think this is will be more unexpected and I'll get a better element of surprise than with Prophets or Genesis ;)
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Element of surprise won't mean much in my opinion. Because most Sam decks have a lot from Judges, Judges as a whole remain firmly in the meta, and as such, are targeted easily by anti-meta decks. Now admittedly, both Isaiah (which is different from Prophets) and Genesis are also affected by the same cards, but they're also overall, stronger.
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Element of surprise won't mean much in my opinion. Because most Sam decks have a lot from Judges, Judges as a whole remain firmly in the meta, and as such, are targeted easily by anti-meta decks. Now admittedly, both Isaiah (which is different from Prophets) and Genesis are also affected by the same cards, but they're also overall, stronger.
Thanks for the suggestions, but I think I'll try this concept out before I give up on it and do something else. I didn't make this to be my main deck, but I wanted to try a herolite offense that was kind of different.
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First post updated
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Shibileth would be good for good enhancements.
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Shibileth would be good for good enhancements.
Good idea :). I'll take out Furnace for that. I took out Harvest Time for Convincing Miracle (CBN battle winner if opponent is decked). Also, any suggestions on the number of cards that is best for this type of deck: 56, 63, or 70?
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I don't see the defense "destroying" your opponents offense. They will get past with CBN's.
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I don't see the defense "destroying" your opponents offense. They will get past with CBN's.
In my limited testing of it, it seems to work quite well, but maybe I haven't used it enough to see it's weaknesses. I don't necessarily need to destroy my opponent's offense, just stall enough for my to judges to win.
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I would try to put woman as snares in there even if you just have her. You could add her and someone else and put in Death of unrighteous, Confusion of maybe forgotten History.
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I wouldn't really consider the current version of the deck as herolite. You are going to have major problems with any sort of deck that has speed in it. Your deck has 63 cards, no speed and no way of slowing down speed decks. I would add in at least 2 anti-speed artifacts (Hezzy's Ring, Cov. w/ Death or Rain Becomes Dust). I would also put in the FBTN lost soul since all your heroes are OT and male. Samuel needs to be in here also.
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I wouldn't really consider the current version of the deck as herolite. You are going to have major problems with any sort of deck that has speed in it. Your deck has 63 cards, no speed and no way of slowing down speed decks. I would add in at least 2 anti-speed artifacts (Hezzy's Ring, Cov. w/ Death or Rain Becomes Dust). I would also put in the FBTN lost soul since all your heroes are OT and male. Samuel needs to be in here also.
Why would you put Sam in? He does not have King Saul or David?
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yeah why Sam? :miss:
and the fbtn ls is the one negates all other Lost soul abilities right? How would that help?
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yeah why Sam? :miss:
Why not Sam? He is another Judge with low numbers, negates play abilities, Sam's Edict is CBN off him, can band to your opponent's I Samuel heroes and can be a +3 card advantage if you add the evil King Saul. I would also put in Ehud's Dagger.
and the fbtn ls is the one negates all other Lost soul abilities right? How would that help?
It negates your opponet's souls, such as Female and NT only.
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I have the Wanderer to get by Female/nt only LSs, so I dont think I need the fbtn Ls. Besides, I should have plenty of Lost Soul choices by the time my offense gets started. But maybe sam would be a good idea so maybe something like this:
Out
Deborah
Moses
Foul Spirit
IN
King Saul
Ehud's Dagger
Samuel
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Moses and FbtN LS are musts for any Judges offense.
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Moses and FbtN LS are musts for any Judges offense.
Why fbtn ls? it negates other ls abilities, but I cant see that being very helpful.
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It allows access to the NT/Women only LS.
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It allows access to the NT/Women only LS.
I have the wanderer to get by nt/female onlys. But I should have plenty of LS choices by the time my offense gets going.
Moses and FbtN LS are musts for any Judges offense.
I used to have moses in there, but I switched him out for something else. This isn't really a normal Judges offense, but I might try him out.