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Heroless 2 the electric boogaloo.
« on: January 12, 2014, 10:29:27 PM »
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Cards in deck: 70
Lost Souls: 9
   Lost Soul (anti-ignore)
   Lost Soul (deck discard)
   Lost Soul (Female Only)
   Lost Soul (Fool)
   Lost Soul (N.T. only)
   Lost Soul (revealer)
   Lost Soul (site guard)
   Lost Soul (site remove)
   Lost Soul (Thorns)

Lamb Dominants: 4
   Angel of the Lord
   Grapes of Wrath
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 4
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away
   Vain Philosophy

Fortresses: 4
   Pharaoh's Throne Room
   Pithom
   Herod's Temple
   Storehouse

Multi-Color Sites: 1
   Dragon Raid

Gold Sites: 1
   Egypt

Artifacts: 7
   Hidden Treasures
   Holy Grail
   Household Idols
   Lampstand of the Sanctuary
   Magic Charms
   The Bronze Laver
   Unholy Writ

White Covenant Cards: 3
   Given Over to Egypt (Gold)
   Go Into Captivity (Crimson)
   Unknown Nation (Yellow)

Gold Covenant Cards: 2
   I am Healing
   I am Redemption

Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 4
   Jordan Interrupted (Teal)
   Seven Years of Plenty (Blue/Evil Gold)
   Trumpet Blast (Teal)
   Zeal for the Lord (Teal)

Green Hero Enhancements: 1
   Backward Shadow

Purple Hero Enhancements: 2
   Authority of Christ
   Reach of Desperation

Gold Evil Characters: 10
   Egyptian Archer
   Egyptian Charioteers
   Egyptian Warden
   Egyptian Wise Men
   Jannes
   King of Tyrus
   King Shishak
   Pharaoh's Baker
   Pharaoh's Cupbearer
   The Dreaming Pharaoh

Gray Evil Characters: 1
   Saul/Paul

Multi color evil characters: 2
Foreign Wives
Egyptian Magicians
Multi-Color Evil Enhancements: 1
   Magicians' Snakes (Gold/Pale Green)

Gold Evil Enhancements: 14
   Beheaded
   Egyptian Horses
   Egyptian Spear
   Enslaved by Egypt
   Escape to Egypt
   Evil Spirit
   Imprisoned
   Mask of Fear
   Moses kills Egyptian
   Pagan Sacrifices
   Ruthless
   Spreading Mildew
   Swift Horses
   Wonders Forgotten

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Re: Heroless 2 the electric boogaloo.
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2014, 07:49:54 PM »
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I find adding Gabriel, Chamber, David's Harp, Covenant of Eden, and Chariot of fire are a easy 5 card offence that I add to all my defenseless decks. It also means that you don't need Holy Grail, and it is easy even if someone else has a lot of ignore cards.
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Re: Heroless 2 the electric boogaloo.
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2014, 09:09:47 PM »
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It actually has heroless cards, but eventually the deck will have heroes to rescue the five lost souls, and I was offering a alternative to that.
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Re: Heroless 2 the electric boogaloo.
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2014, 09:14:14 PM »
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And by eliminating that, you're no long making it heroless. Josh is the king of the heroless deck; he's been messing with it for years, I'm sure that he knows what he's doing ;)
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Re: Heroless 2 the electric boogaloo.
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2014, 09:17:09 PM »
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Have you tested this deck out? Last time I ran heroless or a herolite decks I was getting squashed on a consistent basis by Sam decks.
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Re: Heroless 2 the electric boogaloo.
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2014, 09:18:22 PM »
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Quote from: yirgogo on January 13, 2014, 07:49:54 PM
I find adding Gabriel, Chamber, Chariot of Fire, Covenant of Eden, and Chariot of fire are a easy 5 card offence that I add to all my defenseless decks. It also means that you don't need Holy Grail, and it is easy even if someone else has a lot of ignore cards.
O_o two chariots? Thats a lot of big deck if you're running 2 (100+)

Quote from: Isildur on January 13, 2014, 09:17:09 PM
Have you tested this deck out? Last time I ran heroless or a herolite decks I was getting squashed on a consistent basis by Sam decks.
Not against sam decks. I've ran it into other decks but I haven't hit a single t1 sam deck.
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Re: Heroless 2 the electric boogaloo.
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2014, 09:38:26 PM »
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What do you like about Eygptians? Honestly, I am not seeing too many blocks here.
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Re: Heroless 2 the electric boogaloo.
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2014, 10:02:01 PM »
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the subject title in the thread is EPIC :rollin:
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Re: Heroless 2 the electric boogaloo.
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2014, 10:20:31 PM »
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What is the reason for including Dragon Raid? Is it just in case you convert someone other than Saul for your hero?
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Re: Heroless 2 the electric boogaloo.
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2014, 10:44:59 PM »
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Quote from: DJWeb on January 13, 2014, 10:20:31 PM
What is the reason for including Dragon Raid? Is it just in case you convert someone other than Saul for your hero?
Threefold reasons A is the reason you mentioned B is deck discard ls C is site guard + Dragon raid = free adding ec to battle whenever I need it.

Quote from: TheHobbit on January 13, 2014, 09:38:26 PM
What do you like about Eygptians? Honestly, I am not seeing too many blocks here.
Cuz egyptians best pyramids ever? No, I love the deck discard and it has quite a few blocks if you include warden. I could 7 straight battle winners, not including my artifacts/bands/fbtn stuffs.
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Re: Heroless 2 the electric boogaloo.
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2014, 12:16:15 AM »
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Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on January 13, 2014, 10:44:59 PM
Quote from: TheHobbit on January 13, 2014, 09:38:26 PM
What do you like about Eygptians? Honestly, I am not seeing too many blocks here.
No, I love the deck discard and it has quite a few blocks if you include warden. I could 7 straight battle winners, not including my artifacts/bands/fbtn stuffs.
Considering you are running a 70 deck and I count around 12+ battle winners (not counting Warden) out of a MASSIVE 40+ card defense. You could do alot better than that with 40+ cards. But... I think I am only thinking this is a problem because your deck doesnt cycle very well... I mean your only drawing card is Bronze Laver and your deck has no way to search for it.

Maybe try Herods? They would keep the same kind of feel as the Egyptians i.e deck discard/hand discard/capture but give you more options and allow you to make a more splashy deck.

Moral of the story is... you can make a competitive Heroless deck :thumbup: You just cant use the same deck template as before.
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Re: Heroless 2 the electric boogaloo.
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2014, 12:19:10 AM »
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Quote from: Isildur on January 14, 2014, 12:16:15 AM
Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on January 13, 2014, 10:44:59 PM
Quote from: TheHobbit on January 13, 2014, 09:38:26 PM
What do you like about Eygptians? Honestly, I am not seeing too many blocks here.
No, I love the deck discard and it has quite a few blocks if you include warden. I could 7 straight battle winners, not including my artifacts/bands/fbtn stuffs.
Considering you are running a 70 deck and I count around 12+ battle winners (not counting Warden) out of a MASSIVE 40+ card defense. You could do alot better than that with 40+ cards. But... I think I am only thinking this is a problem because your deck doesnt cycle very well... I mean your only drawing card is Bronze Laver and your deck has no way to search for it.

Maybe try Herods? They would keep the same kind of feel as the Egyptians i.e deck discard/hand discard/capture but give you more options and allow you to make a more splashy deck.

Moral of the story is... you can make a competitive Heroless deck :thumbup: You just cant use the same deck template as before.

This defense is a tournament winning one not saying too much but I do know it works. I wanna test it more and now that I got rts finally working again I can.

This is the first draft of the deck, The year before dreaming P came out, it was Herods, then it switched back to Egyptians with the Joseph set.

I have Laver, Dreaming P, Horses, E magicians, Seven years, Baker, swift horses for cycling.

The biggest issue I hit is silver *pure silver* offenses.
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Re: Heroless 2 the electric boogaloo.
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2014, 10:49:05 AM »
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I guess it depends on what decks you are facing in Florida but if you went to a say a regional tournament out state k I would for sure use a Herod tech like Isildur suggested for 3 reasons: A) They are really good against disciples which are very popular this year B) they help your discard theme because of Salome and Rash Oath and Agrippa makes Escape to Egypt cbn 3) They work with your Herod's Temple.
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Re: Heroless 2 the electric boogaloo.
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2014, 12:50:03 PM »
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My most recent Heroless/Herolite decks have all been Herods/Sadducees and Herods/Egyptians (usually with WS for this one). Herods are really good as a stonewall-type defense, just because they tech so well against the most popular decks. Sadducees are nice because black is such a good "kill all the Heroes" brigade (Wrath, Hunger, JiP vs. a Banding Chain, etc.) and they have good synergy with Herods (Herod Agrippa II and HP Ananias can bring down a bunch of the popular two-Hero CBN/BTN bands by themselves). They also allow the use of Urim and Thummim, which may not be as necessary now with VP available, but it still is nice to use it more than once.

Egyptians I've used primarily with Hero-lite WS decks, because the Deck Discard is nice to get them down to count, and with a small offense I don't necessarily have to destroy their offense completely in order to win which is good since Egyptians are better at stalling than domination.

One other thing I have found necessary in my past few Heroless iterations is Goshen. The reason is that in the turn between using Holy Grail to convert Saul, and Hidden Treasures to wipe away the D, oftentimes Saul would get targeted by Invoking Terror. Once you get rid of the D, there shouldn't be anyone to play it on, but that one turn is often critical.
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