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This is the Deck/Hand discard deck that I've been playing for six months or so. Most everyone who hangs around on Hamachi has played it (and beaten it), so I'm looking for suggestions from those of you who've been able to exploit it's weaknesses for the win (plus those of you who haven't played it as well!). Go ahead, enjoy yourself. ;)

Cards in deck: 63
Lost Souls: 8
   Lost Soul (anti-ignore)
   Lost Soul (can't be prevented)
   Lost Soul (deck discard)
   Lost Soul (revealer)
   Lost Soul (shuffler)
   Lost Soul (Site Discard)
   Lost Soul (Wanderer)
   Lost Souls (2-line)

Lamb Dominants: 3
   Angel of the Lord
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 4
   Burial
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away

Sites: 1
   Hormah
   Promised Land

Fortresses: 1
   +Pharaoh's Throne Room

Artifacts/Curses/Covenants: 5
   Confusion of Mind
   Covenant of Noah
   Given Over to Egypt
   Stone Pillar at Bethel
   Unknown Nation

Silver Heroes: 2
   Angel at Shur
   Gabriel

Blue Heroes: 8
   Asher
   Benjamin
   Dan
   Jacob
   Levi
   Rebekah
   Sarah
   Simeon

Silver Hero Enhancements: 2
   Striking Herod
   Wickedness Removed

Blue Hero Enhancements: 9
   Abraham's Servant to Ur
   Answer to Prayer
   Book of Jashar
   Buying Grain
   Jacob Buries the Foreign gods
   Job Overcomes
   +Journey to Egypt
   Jubilee
   Obedience of Noah
   Reuben's Torn Clothes

Gold Evil Characters: 9
   Egyptian Archer
   Egyptian Charioteers
   Egyptian Horsemen
   Egyptian Warden
   Huge Egyptian
   King Elah
   +King Shishak
   King of Tyrus
   Potiphar's Wife
   Queen Tahpenes

Multi-Color Evil Characters: 1
   The Amalekites' Slave

Gold Evil Enhancements: 10
   Besieging the City
   Egyptian Horses
   Egyptian Spear
   Evil Spirit
   Failed Objective
   +Joseph's Brothers' Scheme
   Moses kills Egyptian
   Pagan Sacrifices
   Ruthless
   Spreading Mildew
   Wonders Forgotten
« Last Edit: January 06, 2009, 04:39:53 PM by Tsavong Lah »
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Re: You've played it, you've killed it, now you get to fix it!
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2009, 11:28:08 AM »
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I like single brigade decks.  You can always combine any enh with any character and that means less waiting for the right combination.  Therefore, I would take out the 2 silver characters and 2 silver enhs.  That frees up 4 cards that I think could be better spent on other things.

Captured Ark is really helpful for getting rid of arts that really mess you up (G-Cow, CoM)
Harvest Time is really helpful for providing a LS to rescue when none exists (opponent shuffles them, or buries, or takes with SoG)
Guardian of Your Souls seems like it would only work 50% of the time, but it is in all the top decks at Nats each year

Spot 4 could be taken out along with Rebekah, Book of Jashar, 1 EC and 2 EEs.  That would get you down to a 56 card deck which would be stronger.

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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2009, 11:30:38 AM »
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I think if I were you, I would make this deck either completely hand d/c or completely deck d/c. Personally, I think hand d/c is better, since it gets rid of things that your opponent may have otherwise used. However, deck d/c could be really fun with some more silver.

If I were you, since you've already abandoned Zebulun for Gabriel, I would definitely put in a CotH. A Protection of Angels might not be a bad idea while you're at it. I would take out Book of Jashar and Jubilee for those.

Defensewise, I would take out Egyptian Horsemen, King Elah, Besieging the City, Failed Objective, and one more possibly offensive card - for Jannes, King Shishak, Enslaved by Egypt, Pharaoh's Throne Room, and an Egypt site.
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2009, 01:03:33 PM »
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One of the best hand discarder cards is I Am Holy. If you're going for a hand discarder theme, then this card would be a great addition.
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Re: You've played it, you've killed it, now you get to fix it!
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2009, 07:26:53 PM »
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Captured Ark is really helpful for getting rid of arts that really mess you up (G-Cow, CoM)
Harvest Time is really helpful for providing a LS to rescue when none exists (opponent shuffles them, or buries, or takes with SoG)
Guardian of Your Souls seems like it would only work 50% of the time, but it is in all the top decks at Nats each year

Ah, Captured Ark is a great idea. I'll try to work that in. However, after Tim managed to take Nationals without Harvest Time or GoYS, I'm feeling a little vindicated in my quest to only use three good dominants in my decks. ;)

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I like single brigade decks.  You can always combine any enh with any character and that means less waiting for the right combination.  Therefore, I would take out the 2 silver characters and 2 silver enhs.  That frees up 4 cards that I think could be better spent on other things.
Spot 4 could be taken out along with Rebekah, Book of Jashar, 1 EC and 2 EEs.  That would get you down to a 56 card deck which would be stronger.

Hmm, normally I'm inclined to agree with you; I like single brigade decks and every deck I've ever played other than this one is 56 or smaller. In fact, this deck was a 56 carder for a long time, and only recently have I bumped it up to 63 because the defense felt a little shaky. I don't like big decks, and I'm thinking about going back to 56, but I feel like I should give 63 a try for a little while before I give up on it. If I do drop back down to 56, I think your suggestions are probably the best way to do it, so I'll keep them in mind. Thanks! :)

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I think if I were you, I would make this deck either completely hand d/c or completely deck d/c. Personally, I think hand d/c is better, since it gets rid of things that your opponent may have otherwise used. However, deck d/c could be really fun with some more silver.

Yeah, the deck originally was Egyptians and Angels for solid deck discard, but I wanted to see how effective combining the two could be. So far I've been enjoying it quite a bit. You're probably right that a concentrated strategy is better, but I'd like to try out the mix a little more before thinking about switching back.

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If I were you, since you've already abandoned Zebulun for Gabriel, I would definitely put in a CotH. A Protection of Angels might not be a bad idea while you're at it. I would take out Book of Jashar and Jubilee for those.

Defensewise, I would take out Egyptian Horsemen, King Elah, Besieging the City, Failed Objective, and one more possibly offensive card - for Jannes, King Shishak, Enslaved by Egypt, Pharaoh's Throne Room, and an Egypt site.

I love the idea of adding Captain, but I'd be worried about matching up brigades if I add too many more silver enhancements. I need Elah for Obedience of Noah and as a non-Egyptian character in case someone uses Journey to Egypt. Pulling Besieging the City is probably a good idea, but I'm a little fond of it, so I'll have to think about that one a little. King Shishak and PTR are definitely great ideas, thanks. :)

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One of the best hand discarder cards is I Am Holy. If you're going for a hand discarder theme, then this card would be a great addition.

Ooh, interesting. I might try that out, especially since I can usually get things I discard back with Asher.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2009, 07:33:01 PM by Tsavong Lah »
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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2009, 07:27:50 PM »
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Updated!
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2009, 07:37:29 PM »
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I think I might have to take out one of the silver enhancements to fit in Prof's suggestion of Captured Ark. Should it be Striking Herod or Wickedness Removed? Striking Herod is nice as a surprise play since most people expect that Gabriel is just in there as a splash, and it allows Gabriel to be used more than once instead of discarding and then getting killed off. However, Wickedness Removed has been extremely useful to me though, since it has the potential to (and often does) discard at least three vital cards from an opponent's defense (I've even had it discard four evil cards and pull up a Lost Soul for me twice in my time playing with it).

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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2009, 07:42:51 PM »
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I'd take out Gabriel for Captured Ark. Also, with such few ls generators, burial shroud would work miracles, it allows you to stall to get defense and lets you still make bc's with Asher and Angel at Shur, which they will likely decline. It's a great card. I'd take out striking herod for that.
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Re: You've played it, you've beaten it, now's your chance to fix it!
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2009, 09:00:47 PM »
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I always thought that Burial Shroud prevented both rescue attempts and battle challenges... am I wrong?
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Re: You've played it, you've beaten it, now's your chance to fix it!
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2009, 09:23:10 PM »
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I always thought that Burial Shroud prevented both rescue attempts and battle challenges... am I wrong?

1. Burial Shroud allows you to make BC, but not RA.
2. Burial Shroud does not allow your opponent to do either.
3. Burial Shroud may only be used twice.

Burial Shroud
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Holder may not make a rescue attempt or be attacked. May be used twice. • Play As: Prevent holder from making a rescue attempt. Protect holder from being attacked. May be used twice. • Identifiers: None • Verse: John 20:4-5 • Availability: Apostles booster packs (Ultra Rare)

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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2009, 09:38:52 PM »
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Wow, that card just got ten times more useful. Thanks, I didn't know that. :)
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2009, 09:44:47 AM »
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I have a rather nooby question: Do you really need Rebekah and Sarah? :-\
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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2009, 11:46:05 AM »
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It's nice to have Simeon work quickly, and in the event that one of them gets captured or removed or something, the other's still available for Simeon to work his magic. I'm also fond of sacrificing one of them to Unholy Writ or Go Into Captivity when I don't have any other ways to get around them, because it doesn't hurt my offense too much to lose one and then I get to discard their territory with Levi. They're also nice to snag the Female-Only LS.
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Re: You've played it, you've beaten it, now's your chance to fix it!
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2009, 01:18:40 PM »
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Yeah, okay.
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Re: You've played it, you've beaten it, now's your chance to fix it!
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2009, 12:17:18 AM »
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1. Burial Shroud allows you to make BC, but not RA.
2. Burial Shroud does not allow your opponent to do either.
3. Burial Shroud may only be used twice.
It should be pointed out though that you can't attack with a hero while there are LSs available in your opponent's LoB and call it a BC while Burial Shroud is up.  You can only make a BC if you have no available LSs to go after.

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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2009, 12:24:19 AM »
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It should be pointed out though that you can't attack with a hero while there are LSs available in your opponent's LoB and call it a BC while Burial Shroud is up.  You can only make a BC if you have no available LSs to go after.

Now you're just trying to cause trouble with the Raider's Camp thread.  :o
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2009, 12:37:41 AM »
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Now you're just trying to cause trouble with the Raider's Camp thread.  :o
Nope, just hadn't got to that in catching up on the forum.  However, you're right that we need a ruling on this one.

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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2009, 04:28:09 PM »
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If you put a character out there, you have pretty much no choice whether you're making a BC or a RA; it's a simple matter of whether you have access to any lost souls or not. I agree with Prof.
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