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Help thinning my deck (T12P)
« on: February 15, 2012, 06:12:34 PM »
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Here's a modified version, after digesting the advice given below. Obviously, I couldn't take everyone's complete advice, but I did weigh all of it before editing the deck. It's now at 56 cards. Strikethroughs indicate cards removed, and red indicates cards added.
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60 56 cards

Lost Souls (8 w/Hopper)
Deck discard
FBTN
Hand discard
Lost Souls (2-liner)
Revealer
Shame
Shuffler
Site doubler
Wanderer
Woman only
Hopper


Dominants (8 )
SoG
NJ
AotL
Grapes
Christian Martyr
Burial
DoN
Mayhem

Fortresses (2)
Pharaoh’s Throne Room
Pithom
Storehouse

Sites (2)
Promised Land
Egypt
Banks of the Nile/Pharaoh’s Court

Artifacts (2)
Chariot of Fire
Unholy Writ

Curses (2)
Captured Ark (crimson)
Confusion of Mind (PG)
Given Over to Egypt (gold)

Blue Heroes (10)
Asher
Benjamin
Dan
Eve
Jacob (FooF)
Judah
Levi
Rachel (FooF)
Simeon
Zebulun

Green Hero (1)
Abel

Dual Hero (1)
Joseph (Blue/Green)

Blue Enhancements (6)
Abraham’s Descendant
Answer to Prayer
Forgiveness of Joseph
Jacob Buries the Foreign Gods
Joseph Before Pharaoh
Numerous as the Stars
Reuben’s Torn Clothes

Green Enhancement (1)
Creation of the World

Gold ECs (6)
Egyptian Horsemen
Egyptian Warden
Huge Egyptian
King of Tyrus
Pharaoh's Baker
Pharaoh’s Cupbearer
The Dreaming Pharaoh

Gold Enhancements (4)
Egyptian Horses
Enslaved by Egypt
Failed Objective
Moses Kills Egyptian
Rizpah’s Sackcloth
Wonders Forgotten

Dual EC (2)
Egyptian Magicians (Gold/PG)
TAS (Brown/Gold)

Good/Evil Enhancement (1)
7 Years of Plenty (Blue/EGold)

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Advice is still welcome.

I am still considering pulling one of the ECs and adding the EE Magicians' Snakes, which is CBP. Good idea/bad idea?


« Last Edit: February 16, 2012, 10:08:28 PM by DDiceRC »
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Re: Help thinning my deck (T12P)
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2012, 06:30:18 PM »
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I'm not the most versed in a gen deck but for a general look at it I'd say you really don't need 12 Heroes.

I know a gen offense is based on its heroes but you could afforded to drop some. I'd keep the ones that can support Joesph above all.

I could see you dropping Pithom too because you only have one gold curse...
« Last Edit: February 15, 2012, 06:35:51 PM by Jmbeers »
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Re: Help thinning my deck (T12P)
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2012, 06:42:56 PM »
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Maybe along those lines, do Eve and Abel?CotW overlap to some degree, so one or the other could go?
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Re: Help thinning my deck (T12P)
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2012, 07:05:52 PM »
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I'm not the most versed in a gen deck but for a general look at it I'd say you really don't need 12 Heroes.

I know a gen offense is based on its heroes but you could afforded to drop some. I'd keep the ones that can support Joesph above all.

I could see you dropping Pithom too because you only have one gold curse...
12 heros could be considered to few....
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Re: Help thinning my deck (T12P)
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2012, 09:10:10 PM »
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Rizpah’s Sackcloth can go. It's asking to get interrupted, and you lose your EC. Unless people in your area play site lock, I'd also take out Promised Land. You have Joseph & Abel who have access to Samarias which will probably be the most common site. You also have Mayhem and Joe b4 Pharaoh to hit sites.
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Re: Help thinning my deck (T12P)
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2012, 01:30:14 AM »
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And, I hate to even ask this (it almost makes me sick), but is there too much defense in this deck?

Yup looks that way. Though all in all it looks pretty solid, I see why you are having a hard time cutting it down. 

I would take out Ripzah's sackcloth, Egyptian Horsemen, Huge Egyptian, and given over to Egypt on defense, to add in Baker, and TAS.  I don't think that deck discard is the most powerful way to go as it distracts from actually blocking, so I took out the two deck discard guys to give you + 1 LS generator and a +3 drawing guy.   

On neutral I would take out, Banks of the Nile/Pharaoh’s Court, and the Deck Discard lost soul.

This gives you a 56 card deck, with a slightly smaller but more concentrated defense that draws faster and generates souls.

I think it's a solid deck.  However the I think that the deck discard strategy is more of a distraction than anything else.  You don't have to take this advice if you don't want but I think it will make you deck more competitive.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2012, 07:23:16 PM by Wings of Music »
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Re: Help thinning my deck (T12P)
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2012, 02:04:45 AM »
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60 cards

Lost Souls
Deck discard
Hand discard
Lost Souls (2-liner)
Revealer
Shame
Site doubler
Wanderer
Woman only-one lost soul out whichever

Dominants
SoG
NJ
AotL
Grapes
Christian Martyr
Burial
DoN
Mayhem

Fortresses
Pharaoh’s Throne Room
Pithom-out
Storehouse

Sites
Promised Land
Egypt-out
Banks of the Nile/Pharaoh’s Court-out for golgotha

Artifacts
Chariot of Fire

Curses
Captured Ark (crimson)
Confusion of Mind (PG)
Given Over to Egypt (gold)-out

Blue Heroes
Asher
Benjamin
Dan-out for Judah
Eve
Jacob (FooF)
Levi
Rachel (FooF)
Simeon
Zebulun-out for Leah or Levi or Simeon

Green Hero
Abel

Dual Hero
Joseph (Blue/Green)

Blue Enhancements
Abraham’s Descendant
Answer to Prayer-out for abe's servant
Forgiveness of Joseph
Jacob Buries the Foreign Gods-out for capt
Joseph Before Pharaoh
Numerous as the Stars-out
Reuben’s Torn Clothes

Green Enhancement
Creation of the World

Gold ECs
Egyptian Horsemen-out for pharoas baker
Egyptian Warden-Out for Archers
Huge Egyptian-out for Charioteer
King of Tyrus
Pharaoh’s Cupbearer
The Dreaming Pharaoh

Gold Enhancements
Egyptian Horses
Enslaved by Egypt-Out for Mask of Fear
Failed Objective
Moses Kills Egyptian
Rizpah’s Sackcloth-Out
Wonders Forgotten

Dual EC
Egyptian Magicians (Gold/PG)

Good/Evil Enhancement
7 Years of Plenty

That's 54 cards.

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Re: Help thinning my deck (T12P)
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2012, 02:15:42 AM »
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OUT: Pithom, Given Over to Egypt, Sackcloth, Enslaved by Egypt, Egypt, Pharaoh's Cort, CoF, Horsemen, Warden, Huge Egyptian, both Discard LS's, Shame LS, Site doubler LS.

IN: Hopper, N.T. only, FbtN, Shuffler, Baker, TAS, Judah, Levi, Storehouse, Unholy Writ
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Re: Help thinning my deck (T12P)
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2012, 10:09:14 PM »
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Thanks everyone! I always learn something when I get my decks critiqued. See the modified deck up above.
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Re: Help thinning my deck (T12P)
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2012, 01:38:29 PM »
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Advice is still welcome.

I am still considering pulling one of the ECs and adding the EE Magicians' Snakes, which is CBP. Good idea/bad idea?
I like most of the changes that you've made at this point.  I agree with you about pulling an EC, but I wouldn't add Magician's Snakes.  Instead I would add Falling Away.  You are going to be fast with a deck like this, and are likely to get to your FA before your opponent gets to their GoYS.  And FA is too powerful to leave out of a deck that is likely to be able to use it.

I would also pull another EC and replace it with Uzzah.  The 2 ECs that I would take out are the same ones recommend by Hiatus and Pol (Horsemen & Warden).

My next idea actually would disagree with my distinguished colleagues and actually recommend the return of Pithom and Given Over to Egypt into your deck.  Each of those 2 cards will often take out 3-4 cards of your opponent's deck.  Having the extra artifact up will protect you from Captured Ark shuffling away your Unholy Writ, and having Pithom out makes your opponent think twice before playing dominants in general.  There is a slight risk of taking out an opponent's LS off the top of his deck, but with TAS and Cupbearer, you are creating enough LSs to make up for it.  I think you'll get a lot more use out of Pithom and GotE than you will out of Dan and Pharaoh's Throne Room.

My other idea is that any Genesis deck should really have Stone Pillar at Bethel in it.  The chance to reach into your deck and get NJ to go with your SoG, or AotL, or any other critical card for your offense is just too awesome to pass up.  Sure you opponent might be playing with Nazareth, but in that case you have something to toss for Uzzah.  I think SPaB is way better than Numerous as the Stars.

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Re: Help thinning my deck (T12P)
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2012, 01:55:04 PM »
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i use a very similar genesis deck my only difference is i use captain and not abel but then again i dont play against any really amazing people

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Re: Help thinning my deck (T12P)
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2012, 02:05:53 PM »
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I didn't realize SPaB wasn't in there and that PTR was. I'd take out the latter for the former.
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