Author Topic: Genyptians (Read 5157 times)

browarod · « **on:** October 17, 2011, 11:11:45 PM »

Amalgamated the other threads I found about this theme and came up with the below. I just put it together right before posting this, so I obviously haven't played it in any games to test it, lol.

Cards in Deck: 56
Lost Souls: 7
Revealer
Shut Door
NT Only
NT Shuffler
Female only
Wanderer
2-liner

Dominants: 10
HT
AotL
GoYS
SoG
NJ
Grapes
Burial
DoN
CM
FA

Fortresses: 2
Storehouse
Pithom

Artifacts: 6
Stone Pillar at Bethel
Writ
Chariot of Fire
Unknown Nation
Given Over to Egypt
Captured Ark/Covenant of Noah

Heroes: 11
Benjamin
Jacob
Simeon
Levi
Asher
Eve
Rachel
Joseph
Angel at Shur
Zebulun
Judah

Good Enhancements: 8
Journey to Egypt
Reuben's Torn Clothes
Abraham's Descendant
Forgiveness of Joseph
Joseph Before Pharaoh
Abraham's Servant to Ur
Answer to Prayer
Creation of the World

Dual-Alignment Enhancements: 1
Seven Years of Plenty

Evil Characters: 7
TAS
Pharaoh's Cupbearer
Pharaoh's Baker
Egyptian Magicians
The Dreaming Pharaoh
KoT
Uzzah

Evil Enhancements: 4
Swift Horses
Failed Objective
Evil Spirit
Wonders Forgotten

Red Wing · « **Reply #1 on:** October 18, 2011, 11:07:04 AM »

Egyptian Chariots and Horses and Egyptian Charioteers would help the Defense. Maybe Abes Servant and a hero of your choice could go those?

browarod · « **Reply #2 on:** October 18, 2011, 11:01:55 PM »

I'm not unwilling to take Abe's Servant out (I mulled over whether to even put it in) but I don't know that I like hurting the offense to add more defense.

Red Wing · « **Reply #3 on:** October 19, 2011, 09:07:15 AM »

Quote from: browarod on October 18, 2011, 11:01:55 PM

I'm not unwilling to take Abe's Servant out (I mulled over whether to even put it in) but I don't know that I like hurting the offense to add more defense.

I understand that, but you once you use FO, Wonders Forgotten, and Enslaved by Egypt, your opponent will probably be able to stop the rest of your defense. Have you found the defense effective?

Drrek · « **Reply #4 on:** October 19, 2011, 10:22:50 AM »

Quote from: Red Wing on October 19, 2011, 09:07:15 AM

Quote from: browarod on October 18, 2011, 11:01:55 PM
I'm not unwilling to take Abe's Servant out (I mulled over whether to even put it in) but I don't know that I like hurting the offense to add more defense.

I understand that, but you once you use FO, Wonders Forgotten, and Enslaved by Egypt, your opponent will probably be able to stop the rest of your defense. Have you found the defense effective?

If you can stop an offense 3 times in a Genesis deck (plus don't forget Writ and CM are there too) in my experience, you should probably win the game.

Red Wing · « **Reply #5 on:** October 19, 2011, 10:35:47 AM »

Quote from: Drrek on October 19, 2011, 10:22:50 AM

Quote from: Red Wing on October 19, 2011, 09:07:15 AM
Quote from: browarod on October 18, 2011, 11:01:55 PM
I'm not unwilling to take Abe's Servant out (I mulled over whether to even put it in) but I don't know that I like hurting the offense to add more defense.

I understand that, but you once you use FO, Wonders Forgotten, and Enslaved by Egypt, your opponent will probably be able to stop the rest of your defense. Have you found the defense effective?

If you can stop an offense 3 times in a Genesis deck (plus don't forget Writ and CM are there too) in my experience, you should probably win the game.

Writ and CM don't do much against things like the the Samuel banding chain, a couple Garden girls banded, or Phil Bart Band. I'm not sure 3-4 blocks will hold off a decent offense long enough for the offense to win. I'd also include Wanderer LS to get by NT and Female Only LSs. I'd take either the hand discard or the deck discard for that.

browarod · « **Reply #6 on:** October 19, 2011, 11:33:47 AM »

I'm thinking of just taking the site lost souls (and maybe Egypt) out entirely cuz, yeah, I really want Wanderer in there, maybe even 2-liner as well.

STAMP · « **Reply #7 on:** October 19, 2011, 11:41:29 AM »

Also needs more dom cap.

browarod · « **Reply #8 on:** October 19, 2011, 11:44:45 AM »

Quote from: STAMP on October 19, 2011, 11:41:29 AM

Also needs more dom cap.

I will adjust my decks if and when that rule is put into place, not a moment before.

Besides, I already know what Doms I would take out, anyway. This will probably become a 50-card deck if that rule passes into law.

STAMP · « **Reply #9 on:** October 19, 2011, 11:52:21 AM »

Quote from: browarod on October 19, 2011, 11:44:45 AM

Quote from: STAMP on October 19, 2011, 11:41:29 AM
Also needs more dom cap.
I will adjust my decks if and when that rule is put into place, not a moment before.

Besides, I already know what Doms I would take out, anyway. This will probably become a 50-card deck if that rule passes into law.

At least your 10/56 is not as bad as some of the 11/50 decks I've seen.

browarod · « **Reply #10 on:** October 19, 2011, 11:55:26 AM »

Quote from: STAMP on October 19, 2011, 11:52:21 AM

Quote from: browarod on October 19, 2011, 11:44:45 AM
Quote from: STAMP on October 19, 2011, 11:41:29 AM
Also needs more dom cap.
I will adjust my decks if and when that rule is put into place, not a moment before.

Besides, I already know what Doms I would take out, anyway. This will probably become a 50-card deck if that rule passes into law.

At least your 10/56 is not as bad as some of the 11/50 decks I've seen.

This is true.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #11 on:** October 19, 2011, 04:35:35 PM »

Quote from: browarod on October 19, 2011, 11:33:47 AM

I'm thinking of just taking the site lost souls (and maybe Egypt) out entirely cuz, yeah, I really want Wanderer in there, maybe even 2-liner as well.

I would take out both Egypt and Enslaved by Egypt (which would cease to be CBN) to add in Zebulun and Judah.

Zeb is still sometimes good for a free walk in if you can empty your hand into Storehouse.

Judah is sometimes good for getting Joseph back after he has been CM'd in territory or captured.

Having 2 more Gen heroes is also great for using Creation of the World to shrink the deck by 2 more cards.

TheJaylor · « **Reply #12 on:** October 19, 2011, 05:58:01 PM »

I think Mask of Fear should be in there. But otherwise it looks pretty good based on the feedback from the previous people.

browarod · « **Reply #13 on:** October 19, 2011, 08:30:42 PM »

12 heroes, oy. That's even more than my Gardenciples speed deck, lol. I'll definitely consider your suggestion, thx Prof U.

Also, if I do end up taking out the sites, any suggestions on what souls I should replace the discarders with? Obviously one should be wanderer, but for the other I'm torn between at least shuffler and 2-liner, maybe others.

Quote from: KoalaKingoFA on October 19, 2011, 05:58:01 PM

I think Mask of Fear should be in there. But otherwise it looks pretty good based on the feedback from the previous people.

Any ideas what to take out for that?

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #14 on:** October 19, 2011, 11:27:22 PM »

Personally I'd probably take out the "Hand discard" and "Deck discard" LSs and replace them with the "Wanderer" and the "2/3 Liner".

I would also probably switch Promised Land for "Journey to Egypt". With a Gen deck you can probably recur that so you still get 2 uses out of it, and if your hero stays alive that is much more than 2 RAs that you get site access.

For the fortresses, I would go with Pithom over the Throne Room. Then I would take out 2 GEs (Obedience of Noah, Numerous as the Stars), and add in 2 gold curses (Unknown Nation, Given Over to Egypt) which you can put in Pithom.

TheJaylor · « **Reply #15 on:** October 19, 2011, 11:52:32 PM »

Quote from: browarod on October 19, 2011, 08:30:42 PM

Quote from: KoalaKingoFA on October 19, 2011, 05:58:01 PM
I think Mask of Fear should be in there. But otherwise it looks pretty good based on the feedback from the previous people.
Any ideas what to take out for that?

Probably Evil Spirit. That's what I would do but it's up to you.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #16 on:** October 20, 2011, 12:28:37 AM »

With all the CBN/CBP stuff out there, I'd say Evil Spirit would do better.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #17 on:** October 20, 2011, 08:29:18 AM »

I really don't think your offense needs to be so enhancement heavy. Take out at least one of them for Zebulun, who's definitely Genesis' second best hero.

browarod · « **Reply #18 on:** October 20, 2011, 11:15:46 AM »

UPDATED:
-Egypt
-Promised Land
-Enslaved by Egypt
-2 site Souls
-Pharaoh's Throne Room
-Numerous as the Stars & Obedience of Noah

+Zebulun
+Judah
+Journey to Egypt
+Wanderer & 2-liner
+Pithom
+Given Over to Egypt & Unknown Nation

I really dunno if I need 12 heroes, though, (especially since the defense is so small) but whenever I take one out someone else says "no, put that guy back in and take this other thing out" lol.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #19 on:** October 20, 2011, 11:29:02 AM »

Genesis wants to have a ton of Heroes. Frankly all of them are super-good (as long as you view Judah and Rachel as stand-ins for Joseph).

browarod · « **Reply #20 on:** October 20, 2011, 01:41:32 PM »

Fair enough. I think I'll need to test this deck now before I make any other changes. Thanks for the suggestions everyone. ^_^

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #21 on:** October 20, 2011, 03:39:34 PM »

Quote from: browarod on October 20, 2011, 11:15:46 AM

I really dunno if I need 12 heroes

If I was going to take one out, it would be Dan.

If I was going to add a card, it would be either Captured Ark (to get rid of pesky defensive arts) or Covenant of Noah (dual purpose as either an art or enhancement)

If I was going to trade one card, it would be Egyptian Warden for The Amalekite's Slave (for LS creation and the ability to get out whoever I wanted faster).

browarod · « **Reply #22 on:** October 20, 2011, 06:01:59 PM »

Actually, I like all those suggestions. I will undoubtedly agonize between the two arts, but I really like all those suggestions.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #23 on:** October 20, 2011, 11:03:44 PM »

Quote from: browarod on October 20, 2011, 06:01:59 PM

I will undoubtedly agonize between the two arts

If you really want to keep both of those arts, the next 3 cards that I would choose between to take out would be:
Writ (could be useless against angels or protected heroes)
Evil Spirit (could be useless against angels)
Moses kills Egyptian (can easily be negated)

I would probably switch out one of those cards to keep both arts.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #24 on:** October 20, 2011, 11:43:19 PM »

Moses kills Egyptian is nice because it's an interrupt, but the fact that it can also be interrupted is a problem. Almost every deck will have an answer to it, so I'd pull it out.

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