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In lieu of ROOT for Nov/Dec using the Dom Cap, I have need of making DC versions of both my decks. Here is the first.

Cards in deck: 51
Lost Souls: 8
    Lost Soul (Beggar)
    Lost Soul (Female Only)
    Lost Soul (revealer)
    Lost Soul (Shut Door)
    Lost Soul (Wanderer)
    Lost Souls (2-line)
    Lost Soul (Shame)

    Lost Soul (Hopper)

Lamb Dominants: 4
    Angel of the Lord
    Grapes of Wrath
    New Jerusalem
    Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 3
    Christian Martyr
    Destruction of Nehushtan
    Falling Away

Fortresses: 1
    Storehouse

Artifacts: 3
    Chariot of Fire
    Stone Pillar at Bethel
    Unholy Writ

Curses: 3
    Captured Ark (Crimson)
    Given Over to Egypt (Gold)
    Unknown Nation (Yellow)

Multi-Color Heroes: 1
    Joseph (Blue/Green)

Silver Heroes: 1
    Angel at Shur

Blue Heroes: 9
    Asher
    Benjamin
    Eve
    Jacob
    Judah
    Levi
    Rachel
    Simeon
    Zebulun

Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 1
    Seven Years of Plenty (Blue/Evil Gold)

Green Hero Enhancements: 1
    Creation of the World

Blue Hero Enhancements: 6
    Abraham's Descendant
    Answer to Prayer
    Forgiveness of Joseph
    Joseph Before Pharaoh
    Journey to Egypt
    Reuben's Torn Clothes

Gold Evil Characters: 4
    King of Tyrus
    Pharaoh's Baker
    Pharaoh's Cupbearer
    The Dreaming Pharaoh

Brown Evil Characters: 1
    Uzzah

Multi-Color Evil Characters: 2
    The Amalekites' Slave
    Egyptian Magicians

Gold Evil Enhancements: 3
    Failed Objective
    Swift Horses
    Wonders Forgotten

I'd say if you don't get down to 50, then I'd go up to 57, and add another LS, so that you can fit either Guardian or Mayhem in, whichever you prefer. I think that the pros of having an extra dom will usually outweigh the cons of having an extra LS, especially if there was an LS that you wanted to fit in but couldn't. With so many decks nowadays relying on a certain Hero (or one of a couple different Heroes) I find the Shame LS to be nearly a staple.

In lieu of ROOT for Nov/Dec using the Dom Cap, I have need of making DC versions of both my decks. Here is the first.

Not sure whether to add 3 cards to go back to 56 or take out 3 to go to 50.

Cards in deck: 53 58
Lost Souls: 8
    Lost Soul (whichever one you want)
    Lost Soul (Beggar)
    Lost Soul (Female Only)
    Lost Soul (N.T. only)
    Lost Soul (revealer)
    Lost Soul (Shut Door)
    Lost Soul (Wanderer)
    Lost Souls (2-line)

Lamb Dominants: 4 5
    Angel of the Lord
    Grapes of Wrath
    New Jerusalem
    Son of God
    Guardian unless you prefer Mayhem or Burial

Grim Reaper Dominants: 3
    Christian Martyr
    Destruction of Nehushtan
    Falling Away

Fortresses: 2 3
    Pithom
    Storehouse
    PTR

Sites: 2
    Egypt x2

Artifacts: 3
    Chariot of Fire
    Stone Pillar at Bethel
    Unholy Writ

Curses: 3
    Captured Ark (Crimson)
    Given Over to Egypt (Gold)
    Unknown Nation (Yellow)

Multi-Color Heroes: 1
    Joseph (Blue/Green)

Silver Heroes: 1
    Angel at Shur

Blue Heroes: 9 10 
    Asher
    Benjamin
    Eve
    Jacob
    Judah
    Levi
    Rachel
    Simeon
    Zebulun
    Abram/Abraham to negate NT & Female only LSs

Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 1
    Seven Years of Plenty (Blue/Evil Gold)

Green Hero Enhancements: 1
    Creation of the World

Blue Hero Enhancements: 7 8
    Numerous as the Stars
    Abraham's Descendant
    Abraham's Servant to Ur
    Answer to Prayer
    Forgiveness of Joseph
    Joseph Before Pharaoh
    Journey to Egypt
    Reuben's Torn Clothes

Gold Evil Characters: 4 6
    Egyptian Horseman
    Egyptian Charioteers
    King of Tyrus
    Pharaoh's Baker
    Pharaoh's Cupbearer
    The Dreaming Pharaoh

Brown Evil Characters: 1
    Uzzah

Multi-Color Evil Characters: 2
    The Amalekites' Slave
    Egyptian Magicians

Gold Evil Enhancements: 4 6
    Enslaved by Egypt
    Egyptian Chariots and Horses
    Evil Spirit
    Failed Objective
    Swift Horses
    Wonders Forgotten

Unless I miscounted, that's 58

Quote from: Red Wing on October 25, 2011, 04:45:48 PM

Unless I miscounted, that's 58

You very much miscounted. Your list is 64 cards. Did you mean to take some stuff out when you added other stuff? lol

   Sorry about that. Just add in Egypt, Abram, and Enslaved by Egypt. 

I don't necessarily see the benefit of Abraham. I have Wanderer to swap for the NT-only, not to mention TAS and Cupbearer to generate Souls I have access to, and Eve/Rachel for Female-only access. Not to mention I'd have to use Abram twice before I'd even get that benefit (I'd much rather use Ben or Joe for CBN battle wins or Rachel+Joseph+AaS for protection against dom/art blocks).

Enslaved by Egypt is a maybe, I just don't know that I'd want to have to rely on getting the site before I could use it.

Once you use Wonders Forgotten, FO, and Uzzah your opponent will be able to stop the rest of your defense, so if not Enslaved by Egypt, then maybe another battle winner. With Abram I can see your logic, but you never know when you'll need another hero, especially in a big(ger) deck or if you get a bad draw. Not to mention NoN with Abes servant

If this deck hasn't won by the time I use WF, FO, Uzzah, CM, and Writ for blocks then there's something more seriously wrong with it than not having another CBN evil enhancement, lol.

Have you been able to win that quickly? CM & Writ do nothing to things like Sam, TGT bands, things like Philip and Bartholemew banded,  and a lot of other combos. I doubt another CBN battle winner could hurt.

ProfU's recommending speed?  2012 comes early!


/or Harold Camping comes late.  Take your pick.

So since I'm already planning on 57, do you have a suggestion for the last 2 cards? lol

I'd put the Hopper in as one. While I was initially not a fan of the hopper following the release of the FBTN soul, in addition to the other ways where it can end up as an LS in your LoB, I realized 2 things:

-Even if it gets caught by FBTN, it's still speeding your deck up by 1
-Even if it gets caught by FBTN, your opponent likely has soul gen in his/her deck anyway, so having extra LS's to rescue doesn't make a huge difference.
-Everyone else uses Hopper, which reduces the number of people using the FBTN LS.

As to the other, I don't know why Dan isn't here. Genesis has limited drawing and is fast mostly because of searches/Eve. But that doesn't mean that drawing is bad. And even if you don't want to draw for some reason, he can make your opponent discard 1. That can be very helpful when done right.

ProfU's recommending speed?  2012 comes early!

I may personally dislike the prevalence of speed decks in the game.  However, Geneptians is inherently a speed concept, and therefore my recommendation is specific to this deck style.

As for 50 vs. 57, Pol has some good points, but again I feel like Geneptians specifically mitigates them already.
1 - He talks of the need for Harvest Time and the slow down of Unholy Writ by leaving out DoN.  However, Geneptians already has +3 LS generation, and doesn't need the Harvest Time, therefore DoN is the better way to go, and UW ceases to be a problem again.
2 - He talks of losing GoYS slowing down by a turn because of your opp's FA, but again, in a Dom Cap environment a lot of people will be dropping that, and even if they keep it, Geneptians will probably win before they draw it.

So, other than a Dom and a Soul, what other cards would you take out to get to 50?

Personally, I would take out:
    GoYS (reasons already mentioned)
    FA (reasons already mentioned)
    Unholy Writ (too much protection from capture)
    Dan (as before, he is the weakest of the Gen heroes)
    Evil Spirit (won't work on demons)
    Uzzah (too often prevented by TSA, Centurions, etc., and he's off-brigade)
    NT only LS (too many people playing TGT, Centurions, TSA, etc., and you can't take it defensively with your SoG)
    Hopper LS (again, you're already +3 LS gen, you don't need this unless the new SoG/NJ rule happens, and that isn't being played this month)

And I would put in:
    Mayhem - every speed deck needs it, especially if it's only 50 cards (increasing your chance of FTM), and especially if its a deck that can easily empty it's hand into Storehouse and wants to for Zeb's sake.

If you're going down to 50 I mostly agree with those suggestions, except that you'd be mad to take out Uzzah

Uzzah was the hardest cut for me to suggest, but I just didn't see anything that I'd rather take out.  Do you have another suggestion?

Alright, I made an update:
-GoYS
-NT-only LS
-ASU
-Evil Spirit
-Dan

I don't know that I want to take out Pithom since then I'll have all these curses and only one place to activate them, unless I also take out one or more of the curses (other than Captured Ark, which I'm not sure why you want me to take out). I never use Mayhem in decks for personal reasons, but if I decide to change my mind I will swap FA out for it. Is 3 evil enhancements really enough? I understand that Uzzah is another battle winner, I just don't necessarily see it lasting long. And, while I understand that Genesis is supposed to be fast so if I haven't won by then there's a problem, I prefer to have backups in decks that I build.

If I was going to take out Pithom, which of the 2 gold curses should go with it? I'm thinking GOtE since I wouldn't necessarily want that eating up my art slot every turn just to mill my opponent.