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Genesis/Romans
« on: September 02, 2015, 10:11:41 AM »
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This is one of the decks I made after Nationals. It can be fun to play, though my games have been few. If you get Stillness with a bunch of your enhancements off, you can seriously mess with defenses.

57 cards
LS: 8

2-liner
Female
Revealer
Hand Discard
Switch
Deck Discard
Negate
Awake

Doms: 8

SoG
NJ
AotL
CM
FA
DoN
VP
Mayhem

Arts/Cov: 3

Golden Cherubim
Chariot o' Fire
I Am Holy

Forts/Sites: 4

Herod's Temple
Raider's Camp
Golgotha
Dragon Raid (p)

Heroes: 9

Benjamin
Joseph
Zebulun
Asher
Rachel
Eve
Dan
Judah
Simeon

Good Enh: 7

Stillness
Cup o' Wrath
Obedience o' Noah
Joseph Before Pharaoh
Jubilee
Abe's Descendant
Buying Grain

Evil Char: 9

Mocking Soldiers (Out for Porcius Festus when I get him)
Julius the Centurion
Claudius Lysias
The Entrapping Pharisees
Vitellius
Augustus
Tiberius
Claudius
Nero

Evil Enh: 7

Scattered
Stormy Seas
Night Raid
Namaan's Chariot
Sorrow o' Mary
Gold Shield
Heavy Taxes

Dual Enh: 2

Paul's Belt
Gamaliel's Speech
« Last Edit: September 08, 2015, 09:53:56 AM by Master Q »
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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2015, 10:17:56 AM »
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The problem with Genesis is that if someone converts an evil character, it can mess with your offence, because a number of cards say "if all your heroes are Genesis heroes" or some variation thereof.
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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2015, 10:32:37 AM »
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The problem with Genesis is that if someone converts an evil character, it can mess with your offence, because a number of cards say "if all your heroes are Genesis heroes" or some variation thereof.

True, I tried to make it so that it wouldn't be too dependent on Zeb or Benjamin, as it's more reliant on I Am Holy and hand disruption rather than playing battle winners. The god of This World was in there at one point, but was cut since he always seemed to come up too late, but maybe putting him back in and having a 51 card deck isn't a bad idea? Also, I really want Obedience o' Noah, but I'm not sure what to take out, or I wonder if just adding it would affect the speed that much.
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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2015, 10:39:39 AM »
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Golgotha might be nice too, especially with Jubilee and Stillness. Also, adding the Terrifying Beast along with OoN gives you a mini combo deck.
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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2015, 10:52:27 AM »
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Golgotha might be nice too, especially with Jubilee and Stillness. Also, adding the Terrifying Beast along with OoN gives you a mini combo deck.

Would Stillness return the enhancement on Golgotha to hand? I thought it had to be Abe's Descendant? I had considered Golgotha w/Abe's, but if Stillness works with it, it will definitely go in, probably for Naz. Would it be better to just make it a 56 card deck with all the additions, or try cutting cards?
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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2015, 11:01:02 AM »
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Abe's is what I meant, I thought it was implied strongly enough, sorry for the confusion. I was just referring to all the recursion you have access to.

Personally, I prefer 56 cards when using balanced (or 57) but that is definitely not the majority opinion. I generally don't like Naz in T1 too much, as if an opponent depends on searches, they'll probably be using Shipwreck. If they don't depend on searches, then Naz is just a minor annoyance. I think Golgotha is definitely more useful.
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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2015, 11:23:15 AM »
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With the new ignore rules I would cut Zebulan and if I was running this deck I would cut Augustus  for Sabbath Breaker.

I still like Naz and this deck doesn't search a lot, plus if they use ship wreck on your Naz they can't use it on your Raiders Camp and vice versa.

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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2015, 11:29:58 AM »
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Personally, I prefer 56 cards when using balanced (or 57) but that is definitely not the majority opinion. I generally don't like Naz in T1 too much, as if an opponent depends on searches, they'll probably be using Shipwreck. If they don't depend on searches, then Naz is just a minor annoyance. I think Golgotha is definitely more useful.

Golgatha isn't that useful with the new ignore rules.
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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2015, 11:35:53 AM »
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With the new ignore rules I would cut Zebulan and if I was running this deck I would cut Augustus  for Sabbath Breaker.

I still like Naz and this deck doesn't search a lot, plus if they use ship wreck on your Naz they can't use it on your Raiders Camp and vice versa.

This is true, the new rules haven't been cemented into my mind. I might take Zeb out for OoN, but he's still a low draw 1 character, so that's good, maybe Eve (she is pretty much only there for Simeon)? Does Sabbath Breaker work anymore, with all the negate EC stuff? I don't have much to play on him.

The only other person I am able to play against uses a Judges/Philistine deck, with his only option to get rid of sites being Land Dispute, so Naz is quite effective against him. I don't know the prevalence of Wrek, as it seems to be very hard to get, so I'm not too concerned about it. But, Golgotha still seems like it would be worth a swap for awhile, to recur Heavy Taxes or Gold Shield and block perpetually. Naz is just one of those cards I'd put in any deck that didn't search.
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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2015, 11:38:13 AM »
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Personally, I prefer 56 cards when using balanced (or 57) but that is definitely not the majority opinion. I generally don't like Naz in T1 too much, as if an opponent depends on searches, they'll probably be using Shipwreck. If they don't depend on searches, then Naz is just a minor annoyance. I think Golgotha is definitely more useful.

Golgatha isn't that useful with the new ignore rules.

Honestly, it was never terribly useful for the CBIg ability before the new rules either...but it's always been useful in a Genesis deck.
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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2015, 05:18:22 PM »
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Needs Stormy Seas.  8)
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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2015, 06:47:23 PM »
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I would suggest cutting chariot of fire for night raid. As it stands Paul's belt is your only trigger for raiders camp and that doesn't seem worth it.  Besides that Paul's belt is safer to be played off Joseph anyhow. 

I never find Judah worth a slot (in t1) and why no RTC?
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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2015, 09:23:08 PM »
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I would suggest cutting chariot of fire for night raid. As it stands Paul's belt is your only trigger for raiders camp and that doesn't seem worth it.  Besides that Paul's belt is safer to be played off Joseph anyhow. 

I never find Judah worth a slot (in t1) and why no RTC?

Claudius Lysias and The Entrapping Pharisees all trigger raider's camp and are easy to trigger. Night Raid would be a great card too, but what would I do to fit it, outside of cutting Chariot? Chariot is almost required to get back heroes lost to I Am Holy, and in case Asher is killed, since I rely on recursion quite a bit.

I don't think I need RTC, since I don't have Jacob, as it's more built around Stillness and Jubilee. Judah is kind of a filler hero, since he can be fun with Raider's camp, but I could see cutting him, maybe for OoN.
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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2015, 09:49:38 PM »
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Duh I was thinking raiders camp triggered off EE's only for some reason my bad.
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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2015, 03:00:50 PM »
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So I bumped it up to 56 cards, adding in Golden Cherubim, Herod's Temple, OoN, Terrifying Beast, Stormy Seas, and Night Raid. Hopefully the added defense and Golden Cherubim will make up for the bigger deck size (even though I've never used GC before, it seemed like a good add with Naz out and Temple in). Any other suggestions/comments?
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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2015, 03:22:24 PM »
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Maybe add the new lost soul that searches for another lost soul and another dominant? I don't know. Sure you have more lost souls for them to rescue but it evens out if you can get their hopper.

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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2015, 03:32:55 PM »
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Maybe add the new lost soul that searches for another lost soul and another dominant? I don't know. Sure you have more lost souls for them to rescue but it evens out if you can get their hopper.

Even with the negate LS in my deck? I would love to have Mayhem, so that might be a good idea, but then I would have to take out a card for the dominant to be 57, which I wouldn't want to go over.
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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2015, 03:36:05 PM »
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Yeah maybe because its another way  for your to search for your negate soul or theirs I guess.

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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2015, 03:46:05 PM »
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Maybe Stalks o' Flax out for Mayhem, and add the LS? It seems like a fluff card, but I like Stalks for its unpredictability.
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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2015, 03:56:44 PM »
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You could always use Shrine ;)

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« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2015, 04:21:28 PM »
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You could always use Shrine ;)

I could, but why? ???

Are you saying to use with Stalks?
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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2015, 06:42:50 PM »
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The problem with Genesis is that if someone converts an evil character, it can mess with your offence, because a number of cards say "if all your heroes are Genesis heroes" or some variation thereof.

True, I tried to make it so that it wouldn't be too dependent on Zeb or Benjamin, as it's more reliant on I Am Holy and hand disruption rather than playing battle winners. The god of This World was in there at one point, but was cut since he always seemed to come up too late, but maybe putting him back in and having a 51 card deck isn't a bad idea? Also, I really want Obedience o' Noah, but I'm not sure what to take out, or I wonder if just adding it would affect the speed that much.

I use Gene/Romans. I use OON on Benny then choose my own Foreign Wives to block and then play Job Overcomes.  Nice game winning combo!

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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2015, 06:56:12 PM »
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Just from the whole concept of all heroes being genesis. Shrine can shuffle your converted characters back in deck, but it is sounding like that is not a big deal.

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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2015, 07:04:35 PM »
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The problem with Genesis is that if someone converts an evil character, it can mess with your offence, because a number of cards say "if all your heroes are Genesis heroes" or some variation thereof.

True, I tried to make it so that it wouldn't be too dependent on Zeb or Benjamin, as it's more reliant on I Am Holy and hand disruption rather than playing battle winners. The god of This World was in there at one point, but was cut since he always seemed to come up too late, but maybe putting him back in and having a 51 card deck isn't a bad idea? Also, I really want Obedience o' Noah, but I'm not sure what to take out, or I wonder if just adding it would affect the speed that much.

I use Gene/Romans. I use OON on Benny then choose my own Foreign Wives to block and then play Job Overcomes.  Nice game winning combo!

Sorry to disappoint you, but that won't work. Even though your opponent controls FW, it is not his card, so the brigades don't count for it. Job Overcomes is still nice due to the fact that Foreign Wives and Silly Women are pretty popular, so there's a good chance it will work out, but just not the way you plan here.
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Re: Genesis/Romans
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2015, 10:38:30 AM »
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So I made it 57 cards with the subtraction of Stalks of Flax and the addition of Mayhem and the Awake LS. Is Golgotha a roman site? I didn't include Nero because I would say it is, but if it isn't, then I would swap Terrifying Beast for him.
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