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Genesis/Egyptian
« on: February 28, 2009, 11:28:05 AM »
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I am trying to create my want list for the coming tournament.  I started with this deck and notice that I've only change one card for my actual deck to my "dream" deck.  Is there any other changes I could make (and as always, please give reasons for the changes)?  Please also look at the LS to see if there would be better ones for this deck.  Thanks


Cards in deck: 63
Lost Souls: 8
   Lost Soul (anti-ignore)
   Lost Soul (deck discard)
   Lost Soul (female only)
   Lost Soul (N.T. only)
   Lost Soul (revealer)
   Lost Soul (Site Discard)
   Lost Soul (site doubler)
   Lost Soul (site remove)

Lamb Dominants: 3
   Angel of the Lord
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 4
   Burial
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away

Fortresses: 3
   Jerusalem Tower
   Pharoah's Throne Room
   Storehouse

Multi-Color Sites: 2
   Banks of the Nile/Pharaoh's Court (Green/gold)
   Promised Land

Gold Sites: 1
   Egypt

Artifacts: 1
   Chariot of Fire

White Covenant Cards: 3
   .Captured Ark (Crimson)
   .Given Over to Egypt (yellow)
   .Oppressed and Robbed (Yellow)

Gold Covenant Cards: 1
   I am Redemption

Blue Heroes: 8
   Asher
   Benjamin
   Dan
   Jacob
   Levi
   Rebekah
   Simeon
   Zebulun

Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 1
   Burning up the Chaff

Blue Hero Enhancements: 8
   Answer to Prayer
   Cup of Wrath
   Ehud's Dagger
   Jacob Buries the Foreign gods
   Journey to Egypt
   Jubilee
   Reuben's Torn Clothes
   Trapped in Cleverness

Gold Evil Characters: 10
   Egyptian Archer
   Egyptian Charioteers
   Egyptian Horsemen
   Evil Spawn
   Huge Egyptian
   Jannes
   King Shishak
   King So
        The Amalekites' Slave
   Queen Tahpenes

Gold Evil Enhancements: 10
   Begging to go Back
   Egyptian Horses
   Egyptian Spear
   Enslaved by Egypt
   Mask of Fear
   Moses kills Egyptian
   Pagan Sacrifices
   Ruthless
   Spreading Mildew
   Wonders Forgotten


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Re: Genesis/Egyptian
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2009, 01:13:11 PM »
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You need to bring down the deck to 50 cards.

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Re: Genesis/Egyptian
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2009, 01:16:34 PM »
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Ok, Wow, no. JTE+Egyptian Defense=Bad Bad bad. Switch it out for something. Also this deck needs to be bumped up to 70 cards ;) and beef up the defense a bit.
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Re: Genesis/Egyptian
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2009, 01:17:16 PM »
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LOL we are from completely different worlds... :-*

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Re: Genesis/Egyptian
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2009, 09:42:50 PM »
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Other than the opinions of the size, are there any suggestion.

Also, I will defendantly take out JTE (was more focused on the site access than the ignore part :P).  Any suggestions on a replacement card?

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Re: Genesis/Egyptian
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2009, 09:45:53 PM »
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I think I speak for all of us when I say "put in King of Tyrus".
.... Do I need a reason? King Elah would be good too.

EDIT: Looking back at your enhancements, King Elah might not be the best choice...

I say replace Jannes with KOT
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Re: Genesis/Egyptian
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2009, 02:23:36 AM »
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In a larger deck, you want to find Pharaoh's Throne Room quickly. Jannes should probably stay in there.
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Re: Genesis/Egyptian
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2009, 02:57:31 AM »
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In a larger deck, you want to find Pharaoh's Throne Room quickly. Jannes should probably stay in there.

Yea, if I actually do get KOT (which I still kind of don't want in this deck), I would switch out the slave.

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Re: Genesis/Egyptian
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2009, 06:14:01 PM »
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NO! The slave is awesome. But definitely throw in KOT. If you want to stick to only egyptians... then have fun. But KOT will be better, I guarantee it.
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Re: Genesis/Egyptian
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2009, 09:00:13 AM »
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Also, I will defendantly take out JTE (was more focused on the site access than the ignore part :P).  Any suggestions on a replacement card?

Jacob's Dream.  Taking an opponent's Site works for both offense (site access) and defense (site lock/stall).

I don't see some of what I'd consider staple good enhancements for a Genesis offense.  Why no Abe's Servant to Ur?  Obedience of Noah?  And in a deck this size, Numberous as the Stars and Stone Pillar at Bethel? 

Sign of the Rainbow and Cov of Noah both outshine Ehud's Dagger as negates because they're from Genesis.  Apart from Cup of Wrath, I don't understand the reasoning behind the non-Genesis enhancements.

I agree with everyone else who said that you need to add KoT (wa).  You really would be silly not to add it if you can get one. :)

If this were my defense I'd like to see another Egypt Site and Unknown Nation in there.  Also, Rizpah's Sackcloth is a nice battle winner that can take out an access Site (making your Site's more powerful).

If you add another Egypt then the "Site Guard" LS could work out well.  You should also seriously consider the "Wanderer" LS because of the difficulty that a Genesis offense has rescuing the commonly used Female & NT souls.

Cards I would cut to make room:

Lost Soul (revealer)
Lost Soul (site remove)
Jerusalem Tower
Oppressed and Robbed
Burning up the Chaff
Jubilee
Trapped in Cleverness
Begging to go Back
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Re: Genesis/Egyptian
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2009, 11:48:41 AM »
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Also, I will defendantly take out JTE (was more focused on the site access than the ignore part :P).  Any suggestions on a replacement card?

Jacob's Dream.  Taking an opponent's Site works for both offense (site access) and defense (site lock/stall).

Probably will switch it out for Jacob's Dream.

I don't see some of what I'd consider staple good enhancements for a Genesis offense.  Why no Abe's Servant to Ur?  Obedience of Noah?  And in a deck this size, Numberous as the Stars and Stone Pillar at Bethel?

This is why I posted my deck :).  I will look at getting Abe's Servant and Obedience in the deck.  However, I had Numberous as the Stars before and most of the time, it came too late in the game.  With Stone Pillar, I just don't like throwing away cards to get another card while also using up my artifact slot.

Sign of the Rainbow and Cov of Noah both outshine Ehud's Dagger as negates because they're from Genesis.  Apart from Cup of Wrath, I don't understand the reasoning behind the non-Genesis enhancements.

I'll probably put in Sign Of The Rainbow.  I might look silly using CON as an enhancement (considering that I do not want to use an artifact slot for it).

I agree with everyone else who said that you need to add KoT (wa).  You really would be silly not to add it if you can get one. :)

I did add it to my list of wants.  Let's hope someone on Saturday has an extra one ;)

If this were my defense I'd like to see another Egypt Site and Unknown Nation in there.  Also, Rizpah's Sackcloth is a nice battle winner that can take out an access Site (making your Site's more powerful).

I'll see about putting in RS.

If you add another Egypt then the "Site Guard" LS could work out well.  You should also seriously consider the "Wanderer" LS because of the difficulty that a Genesis offense has rescuing the commonly used Female & NT souls.

I'll try to get another copy of Wanderer (my only copy is in my other main deck).  I really don't see enough gold offenses to use up a LS slot for site guard (though, it's probably more popular since Judges Seat came out).

Cards I would cut to make room:

Lost Soul (revealer)
Lost Soul (site remove)
Jerusalem Tower
Oppressed and Robbed
Burning up the Chaff
Jubilee
Trapped in Cleverness
Begging to go Back

Wow.  That just destroyed my defense strategy.  I'll break it down with the reason I have them in there.  If some one has a better reason why I should still take them out, then please let me know.

Lost Soul (revealer):
It's so much fun to annoy people with this LS (in the end, I'll probably switch it out for Wanderer)

Lost Soul (site remove):
Main purpose of this deck is deck discard.  I have two LS that helps with this when they are placed in a site.  This LS removes one of them so I can put them back into the site for more fun

Jerusalem Tower:
To prevent harm from my deck (either from some one using my defense or other cards that hurt my deck)

Oppressed and Robbed:
Again, part of my main strategy.  Also, I can have this active, block with HE with spear on him, then use Mask of fear :).

Burning up the Chaff:
What's the point of discarding their deck if they can get them back from their discard pile.  This stops the reaccurances that I often see (and have been used against me).

Jubilee:
Speaking of reaccurances, here's mine.

Trapped in Cleverness:
Battle winner (will probably switch out for Abe servant)

Begging to go Back:
Part of my deck discard strategy.  Also help me put any LS I discard from their deck back on top.

I am thankful for your advise.  I am just showing the logic behind my choices so you can see how I'm looking at them (and show me the error of my ways if you want :P).

Also with the artifacts, most of the time, I will be switching between Opressed & Robbed and Given Over To Egypt.  My other artifacts/covenants/curses are there to be used once or twice the whole game.

I'll try to update my deck (especially since I only need two cards that have been mentioned here :)).

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Re: Genesis/Egyptian
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2009, 12:37:13 PM »
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If you add another Egypt then the "Site Guard" LS could work out well.

I'll try to get another copy of Wanderer (my only copy is in my other main deck).  I really don't see enough gold offenses to use up a LS slot for site guard (though, it's probably more popular since Judges Seat came out).

I think you might have mixed up the "Site Guard" and "Color Guard" Lost Souls.  I agree that "Color Guard" wouldn't help you much, as not many people use gold offense.

Psalms 35:20 ('site guard')
Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: When you place this card in a Site, you may put an Evil Character face down from hand, The Darkness or Tartaros on that Site. During a rescue attempt at that Site, you may add that Character to the battle. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Psalms 35:20 • Availability: Rock of Ages (Site 14)

Lost Soul (site remove): Main purpose of this deck is deck discard.  I have two LS that helps with this when they are placed in a site.  This LS removes one of them so I can put them back into the site for more fun

I understand the theory behind this LS.  I've tried it in many, many site decks.  In practice it only works in about 1 out of every 3-5 games.  The problem is that you have to draw it while you have one of the other Lost Souls and a Site to put them in.  I find that I often draw it first or that the Souls it works with get rescue or buried before I draw it.  There are just better souls to choose from these days.

Jerusalem Tower:
To prevent harm from my deck (either from some one using my defense or other cards that hurt my deck)

You're giving in to the fear factor. ;)  There's not much that's commonly used that's going to harm your deck.  JT might stop something harmful in your opponent's deck 1-2 times out of 10 games.  The other 8-9 of those games it's a "dead" card.  You'd be better off using Wall of Protection to protect yourself from your own defense.

Oppressed and Robbed:
Again, part of my main strategy.  Also, I can have this active, block with HE with spear on him, then use Mask of fear :).

That's a cool combo. :)  I can't imagine that it happens very often though.  I've played deck discard.  It works great without Oppressed and Robbed.  Other than your combo, when is this good?  Against JT.  You've got Spreading Mildew for that.  Besides, as I mentioned above, people really shouldn't be playing that card, it's a waste of space in their deck. ;)  O&R is good vs FBTN.  If you want to counter FBTN you'd be better off with Holy of Holies because that helps your offense too.

Burning up the Chaff:
What's the point of discarding their deck if they can get them back from their discard pile.  This stops the reaccurances that I often see (and have been used against me).

How are they getting them back?  Chariot of Fire?  Asher/Micah?  Plan to rid them of their source of recursion and you won't need "chaff" like this. :D

Jubilee:
Speaking of reaccurances, here's mine.

Asher is better.  He gets back all your enhancements (assuming you focus more on the Genesis ones), and sometimes multiples at once.  He can also be used over and over... assuming he survives.

Begging to go Back:
Part of my deck discard strategy.  Also help me put any LS I discard from their deck back on top.

When you play this you probably just passed initiative and lost the battle.  Discard decks still have to win battles or all that deck discarding is meaningless.  You have enough other ways to discard.  You need more battle winners.

Thanks for considering the advice I gave earlier.  I probably should have taken the time in my first post to explain why I felt all the above cards were expendable. :)
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Re: Genesis/Egyptian
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2009, 02:10:25 PM »
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I agree with everything Gabe said about J-tower. About half the decks nowadays I play are using pale green, with confusion, and then they typically get it first. This has happend twice to me against Cameron and twice against Prof Underwood(when he was using his christmas deck). Unless you are using fbtn or pre-block ignore or ctb... I'd recommend it. Confusion is extremely popular these days.
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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2009, 07:40:19 PM »
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I think you might have mixed up the "Site Guard" and "Color Guard" Lost Souls.  I agree that "Color Guard" wouldn't help you much, as not many people use gold offense.

Psalms 35:20 ('site guard')
Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: When you place this card in a Site, you may put an Evil Character face down from hand, The Darkness or Tartaros on that Site. During a rescue attempt at that Site, you may add that Character to the battle. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Psalms 35:20 • Availability: Rock of Ages (Site 14)

Opps.  Now that I see what the LS is, I can see a combo that would be quite fun to use with promise land.  What happens after the battle?  Do they just return to your territory or do they return to the site?

I understand the theory behind this LS.  I've tried it in many, many site decks.  In practice it only works in about 1 out of every 3-5 games.  The problem is that you have to draw it while you have one of the other Lost Souls and a Site to put them in.  I find that I often draw it first or that the Souls it works with get rescue or buried before I draw it.  There are just better souls to choose from these days.

That’s true.  I’ll keep it in until I get a good LS to replace it (i.e. the site guard LS).

You're giving in to the fear factor. ;)  There's not much that's commonly used that's going to harm your deck.  JT might stop something harmful in your opponent's deck 1-2 times out of 10 games.  The other 8-9 of those games it's a "dead" card.  You'd be better off using Wall of Protection to protect yourself from your own defense.

I’m guessing you are not a big fan of JT :P.  I might switch it for WOP if I get another copy (still unsure about it).

That's a cool combo. :)  I can't imagine that it happens very often though.  I've played deck discard.  It works great without Oppressed and Robbed.  Other than your combo, when is this good?  Against JT.  You've got Spreading Mildew for that.  Besides, as I mentioned above, people really shouldn't be playing that card, it's a waste of space in their deck. ;)  O&R is good vs FBTN.  If you want to counter FBTN you'd be better off with Holy of Holies because that helps your offense too.

It’s not just in there for the FBTN decks, per say, but to make sure there is no way to stop the discarding of the decks.  I would use the combo mainly against decks that are not prepared for a FBTN (since he does have nice stats with the spear).

How are they getting them back?  Chariot of Fire?  Asher/Micah?  Plan to rid them of their source of recursion and you won't need "chaff" like this. :D

A couple of weeks ago, I played against my friend who plays a silver/gold/grey deck.  He came in with an angel.  I blocked and caused him to discard.  He flip the top card and it was Gabriel (woot).  However, he then played something (can’t remember the name) that brought Gabriel back to the top.  So yeah, getting rid of their discard pile is a good thing in my eyes.

Asher is better.  He gets back all your enhancements (assuming you focus more on the Genesis ones), and sometimes multiples at once.  He can also be used over and over... assuming he survives.

Considering I do have chariot of fire, I should probably change out Jubilee for something else.

When you play this you probably just passed initiative and lost the battle.  Discard decks still have to win battles or all that deck discarding is meaningless.  You have enough other ways to discard.  You need more battle winners.

Not if I use it with KOT:).  I’ll consider changing it.

Thanks for considering the advice I gave earlier.  I probably should have taken the time in my first post to explain why I felt all the above cards were expendable. :)

Thanks for giving me the advise. :)

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Re: Genesis/Egyptian
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2009, 07:41:04 PM »
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I agree with everything Gabe said about J-tower. About half the decks nowadays I play are using pale green, with confusion, and then they typically get it first. This has happend twice to me against Cameron and twice against Prof Underwood(when he was using his christmas deck). Unless you are using fbtn or pre-block ignore or ctb... I'd recommend it. Confusion is extremely popular these days.

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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2009, 10:04:15 PM »
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Definitely for it. It works.  :)
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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2009, 10:14:32 PM »
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Definitely for it. It works.  :)
It always works, but isn't always useful ;)
You just have to decide for yourself based on what you expect to come up against whether or not it's worth the card slot.  It helps against some of the most annoying cards in the game (Confusion, Gabriel, Egyptian deck-discard, etc.), and it's only one card that sets up as soon as you draw it, so I say keep it, unless you get to a point where there are absolutely no other cards you can do without and you want something like Wall of Protection more.  Both JT and WoP are situationally useful cards that can spare you a lot of frustration, so just pick whichever you like best.
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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2009, 11:32:58 PM »
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In my experience with deck discard, I've found that Wonders Forgotten is almost always enough to get rid of the powerful cards your opponent wants to recur. Only about one out of every ten games I'd play it before they got four nasty cards to recur in their discard pile. I'd take out Burning Up the Chaff and throw in something more useful. :)
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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2009, 12:29:49 AM »
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Here's the update.  I'm still hesitant on Chaff and JT.

Cards in deck: 63
Lost Souls: 8
   Lost Soul (anti-ignore)
   Lost Soul (deck discard)
   Lost Soul (female only)
   Lost Soul (N.T. only)
   Lost Soul (Site Discard)
   Lost Soul (site doubler)
   Lost Soul (site guard)
   Lost Soul (Wanderer)

Lamb Dominants: 3
   Angel of the Lord
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 4
   Burial
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away

Fortresses: 3
   Jerusalem Tower
   Pharoah's Throne Room
   Storehouse

Multi-Color Sites: 2
   Banks of the Nile/Pharaoh's Court (Green/gold)
   Promised Land

Gold Sites: 1
   Egypt

Artifacts: 1
   Chariot of Fire

White Covenant Cards: 3
   .Captured Ark (Crimson)
   .Given Over to Egypt (yellow)
   .Oppressed and Robbed (Yellow)

Gold Covenant Cards: 1
   I am Redemption

Blue Heroes: 8
   Asher
   Benjamin
   Dan
   Jacob
   Levi
   Rebekah
   Simeon
   Zebulun

Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 1
   Burning up the Chaff

Blue Hero Enhancements: 8
   Abraham's Servant to Ur
   Answer to Prayer
   Cup of Wrath
   Jacob Buries the Foreign gods
   Jacob's Dream
   Obedience of Noah
   Reuben's Torn Clothes
   Sign of the Rainbow

Gold Evil Characters: 10
   Egyptian Archer
   Egyptian Charioteers
   Egyptian Horsemen
   Evil Spawn
   Huge Egyptian
   Jannes
   King of Tyrus
   King Shishak
   King So
   Queen Tahpenes

Gold Evil Enhancements: 10
   Begging to go Back
   Egyptian Horses
   Egyptian Spear
   Enslaved by Egypt
   Mask of Fear
   Moses kills Egyptian
   Pagan Sacrifices
   Ruthless
   Spreading Mildew
   Wonders Forgotten

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Re: Genesis/Egyptian
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2009, 01:57:21 PM »
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Cov of Noah is better than Sign of the Rainbow.  It does the same thing, has bigger numbers, and can be put in your art pile if you have hand clog.

Sarah is better than Rebekah.  She still makes Simeon work, and has bigger numbers in case you need to pull her out with Answered Prayer, or just attack with her by herself.

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Re: Genesis/Egyptian
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2009, 07:50:59 PM »
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But Rebekah gets initiative, so I actually like Rebekah more. And take out Chaff. Trust me. There's not very much recursion.
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Re: Genesis/Egyptian
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2009, 09:22:47 AM »
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I have to agree, Remove the chaff for troops discharged. Learn to love troops discharged its the best deck d/c card ever. Not to meantion completely evil if used right.

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I understand the theory behind this LS.  I've tried it in many, many site decks.  In practice it only works in about 1 out of every 3-5 games.  The problem is that you have to draw it while you have one of the other Lost Souls and a Site to put them in.  I find that I often draw it first or that the Souls it works with get rescue or buried before I draw it.  There are just better souls to choose from these days.
I gotta disagree with the amount of site ls he is packing site remover would help.
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