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GardenDisciples/Cannanites, REPs comment please
« on: February 10, 2012, 07:23:46 PM »
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56 Cards T1 2P

Hey guys, here is my brother's T1 deck, it's a pretty straight forward GardenDisciples deck on the offense, but the defense is the real gem.  It's built around abusing Shechem + Raiders camp by self-capturing his own females, he's actually able to get up to 4 auto blocks off of that combo alone.

7 8 Lost souls: Female Only, N.T. Only, */4, Anti-shuffle, speed bump, same reference, 2-line, Punisher, Anti-Burial, 1st Round, Hopper

7 8 Doms: Grapes, SoG, NJ, Goys, CM, Burial, Don, AotL

3 Forts: TGT, ToT, Raiders camp

3 Arts: 4DC, Writ, Miraculous Handkerchiefs Holy Grail

1 Covenant: New Covenant

2 1 Curses: Gibeonite Curse, Wastelands

6 5 White Heroes: Joanna, Salome, MMoJ, Mary Mags, Susannah, Lydia

1 Red Hero: Peter

6 Purple Heroes: James son of Zebedee, John, Phil, Bart, Thomas, Matthew,

4 3 White Enhancements: Word, He is Risen, Scarlet line, First Fruits

4 3 Purple Enhancements: MLMG , Reach,Sent Two by Two AoCp, Pentecost

1 Purple/White Enhancement: passover hymn

1 Multi Enhancement: Lay down your life

4 Black evil characters: Lot's Wife, Woman of Thebez, Shechem, Gib Delegates

1 Gold Evil Character: Cup-bearer

1 Gray EC: Sabbath Breaker

1 Brown Evil Character: Uzzah

1 Brown/Gold Evil Character: TaS

3 Black Enhancements: Gib Trick, Stone of Thebez, Fortify site

1 Multi Evil enhancement: Torment

My brother would appreciate any comments you can give him, don't go to easy on him.  ;)
 
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Re: GardenDisciples/Cannanites
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 07:33:27 PM »
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I've highlighted a few adds, but it looks like a good outline.
56 Cards T1 2P

Hey guys, here is my brother's T1 deck, it's a pretty straight forward GardenDisciples deck on the offense, but the defense is the real gem.  It's built around abusing Shechem + Raiders camp by self-capturing his own females, he's actually able to get up to 4 auto blocks off of that combo alone.

7 Lost souls: Female Only, N.T. Only, */4, Anti-shuffle, speed bump, same reference, 2-line.

7 Doms: Grapes, SoG, NJ, Goys, CM, Burial, Don

3 Forts: TGT, ToT, Raiders camp

3 Arts: 4DC, Writ, Miraculous Handkerchiefs Chariots of Fire

1 Covenant: New Covenant

2 1 Curses: Gibeonite Curse, Wastelands

6 White Heroes: Joanna, Salome, MMoJ, Mary Mags, Susannah, Lydia

1 Red Hero: Peter

6 Purple Heroes: James son of Zebedee, John, Phil, Bart, Thomas, Matthew

4 White Enhancements: Word, He is Risen, Scarlet line Magnificat, First Fruits

4 Purple Enhancements: MLMG, Reach, Sent Two by Two Authority of Christ (P)if he has it , Pentecost

1 Purple/White Enhancement: passover hymn

1 Multi Enhancement: Lay down your life

4 Black evil characters: Lot's Wife, Woman of Thebez, Shechem, Gib Delegates

1 Gold Evil Character: Cup-bearer I'd use The Amalikite's Slave instead, but if you really want to recur Shechem, keep Cupbearer

1 Brown Evil Character Uzzah

1 Gray EC: Sabbath Breaker

3 Black Enhancements: Gib Trick, Stone of Thebez, Fortify site

1 Multi Evil enhancement: Torment

My brother would appreciate any comments you can give him, don't go to easy on him.  ;)
 


 
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Re: GardenDisciples/Cannanites
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2012, 07:57:47 PM »
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I've highlighted a few adds, but it looks like a good outline.
56 Cards T1 2P

Hey guys, here is my brother's T1 deck, it's a pretty straight forward GardenDisciples deck on the offense, but the defense is the real gem.  It's built around abusing Shechem + Raiders camp by self-capturing his own females, he's actually able to get up to 4 auto blocks off of that combo alone.

7 Lost souls: Female Only, N.T. Only, */4, Anti-shuffle, speed bump, same reference, 2-line.

7 Doms: Grapes, SoG, NJ, Goys, CM, Burial, Don

3 Forts: TGT, ToT, Raiders camp

3 Arts: 4DC, Writ, Miraculous Handkerchiefs Chariots of Fire He likes the add but doesn't have CoF

1 Covenant: New Covenant

2 1 Curses: Gibeonite Curse, Wastelands I've tried to convince him to take it out too, but he's worried about taking it out for a couple reasons 1. Sites occasionally appear in our meta, and it's his only counter.  2. It's his answer to Golgotha

6 White Heroes: Joanna, Salome, MMoJ, Mary Mags, Susannah, Lydia

1 Red Hero: Peter

6 Purple Heroes: James son of Zebedee, John, Phil, Bart, Thomas, Matthew

4 White Enhancements: Word, He is Risen, Scarlet line Magnificat Good add  :thumbup:, First Fruits

4 Purple Enhancements: MLMG, Reach, Sent Two by Two Authority of Christ (P)if he has it He doesn't have it  :( , Pentecost

1 Purple/White Enhancement: passover hymn

1 Multi Enhancement: Lay down your life

4 Black evil characters: Lot's Wife, Woman of Thebez, Shechem, Gib Delegates

1 Gold Evil Character: Cup-bearer I'd use The Amalikite's Slave instead, but if you really want to recur Shechem, keep Cupbearer His answer was 'no way I like my Shechem  :P

1 Brown Evil Character Uzzah Again good add, but in for what?  Like I said above he doesn't want to get rid of wastelands unless he really thinks he has to.

1 Gray EC: Sabbath Breaker

3 Black Enhancements: Gib Trick, Stone of Thebez, Fortify site

1 Multi Evil enhancement: Torment

My brother would appreciate any comments you can give him, don't go to easy on him.  ;)
 
My bro really appreciates your critique thanks Red!  :)

 
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Re: GardenDisciples/Cannanites
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2012, 10:05:54 AM »
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I have never found Lay down your Life helpful, you could probably take it out for maybe a Thad since then you have 8 disciples.

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Re: GardenDisciples/Cannanites
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2012, 10:23:35 AM »
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That sounds like an interesting add, I'll put in there for him.
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Re: GardenDisciples/Cannanitep, REPs comment please
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2012, 05:23:23 PM »
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LS's: Female Only, N.T. Only, */4, Anti-shuffle, speed bump, same reference, 2-line. Punisher, Anti-Burial, 1st Round, Hopper

Doms: Grapes, SoG, NJ, Goys, CM, Burial, Don HT, FA, Burial, Mayhem

Forts: TGT, ToT, Raiders camp  Herod's Temple

Arts: 4DC, Writ, Miraculous Handkerchiefs Add CoF when acquired Holy Grail

Covenant: New Covenant

Curses: Gibeonite Curse, Wastelands

White Heroes: Joanna, Salome, MMoJ, Mary Mags, Susannah, Lydia (Lydia OR Mary Mag out)

Red Hero: Peter

Purple Heroes: James son of Zebedee, John, Phil, Bart, Thomas, Matthew,Thad

White Enhancements: Word, He is Risen, Scarlet line Magnificat, First Fruits

Purple Enhancements: MLMG, Reach, Sent Two by Two add AoCp when acquired, Pentecost (out Sent 2x2 OR MLaMG)

Purple/White Enhancement: passover hymn

Multi Enhancement: Lay down your life

Black evil characters: Lot's Wife, Woman of Thebez, Shechem, Gib Delegates

Gold Evil Character: Cup-bearer

Gray EC: Sabbath Breaker

Black Enhancements: Gib Trick, Stone of Thebez, Fortify site

1 Multi Evil enhancement: Torment
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Re: GardenDisciples/Cannanitep, REPs comment please
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2012, 06:21:44 PM »
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LS's: Female Only, N.T. Only, */4, Anti-shuffle, speed bump, same reference, 2-line. Punisher, Anti-Burial, 1st Round, Hopper Thanks Pol, these all look like great adds

Doms: Grapes, SoG, NJ, Goys, CM, Burial, Don HT, FA, Burial, Mayhem Sounds good, he doesn't have any of those doms you mentioned though, except burial and it's already in there.  What should he keep in the mean time?

Forts: TGT, ToT, Raiders camp  Herod's Temple I like it, but my bro has always been leery about discarding his own SoG, would it be better to keep lay down your life instead? It serves the same purpose at a different cost. 

Arts: 4DC, Writ, Miraculous Handkerchiefs Add CoF when acquired Holy Grail That's a good one, why didn't I think of that?

Covenant: New Covenant

Curses: Gibeonite Curse, Wastelands Referring to an above post do you think it's ok to get rid of this? I mean it is his only site lock/Golgotha counter.

White Heroes: Joanna, Salome, MMoJ, Mary Mags, Susannah, Lydia (Lydia OR Mary Mag out)

Red Hero: Peter

Purple Heroes: James son of Zebedee, John, Phil, Bart, Thomas, Matthew,Thad Out

White Enhancements: Word, He is Risen, Scarlet line Magnificat, First Fruits

Purple Enhancements: MLMG, Reach, Sent Two by Two add AoCp when acquired, Pentecost (out Sent 2x2 OR MLaMG)

wouldn't taking out sent 2x2 and Magnificat be knocking out too many battle winners?
Purple/White Enhancement: passover hymn

Multi Enhancement: Lay down your life Referring above, maybe leave it instead of HT?

Black evil characters: Lot's Wife, Woman of Thebez, Shechem, Gib Delegates

Gold Evil Character: Cup-bearer

Gray EC: Sabbath Breaker

Black Enhancements: Gib Trick, Stone of Thebez, Fortify site

1 Multi Evil enhancement: Torment

He uses these to recur his Shechem auto block, one seems like it would be fine, but both?

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Re: GardenDisciples/Cannanitep, REPs comment please
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2012, 06:35:32 PM »
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LS's: Female Only, N.T. Only, */4, Anti-shuffle, speed bump, same reference, 2-line. Punisher, Anti-Burial, 1st Round, Hopper Thanks Pol, these all look like great adds

Doms: Grapes, SoG, NJ, Goys, CM, Burial, Don HT, FA, Burial, Mayhem Sounds good, he doesn't have any of those doms you mentioned though, except burial and it's already in there.  What should he keep in the mean time?

Forts: TGT, ToT, Raiders camp  Herod's Temple I like it, but my bro has always been leery about discarding his own SoG, would it be better to keep lay down your life instead? It serves the same purpose at a different cost. 

Arts: 4DC, Writ, Miraculous Handkerchiefs Add CoF when acquired Holy Grail That's a good one, why didn't I think of that?

Covenant: New Covenant

Curses: Gibeonite Curse, Wastelands Referring to an above post do you think it's ok to get rid of this? I mean it is his only site lock/Golgotha counter.

White Heroes: Joanna, Salome, MMoJ, Mary Mags, Susannah, Lydia (Lydia OR Mary Mag out)

Red Hero: Peter

Purple Heroes: James son of Zebedee, John, Phil, Bart, Thomas, Matthew,Thad Out

White Enhancements: Word, He is Risen, Scarlet line Magnificat, First Fruits

Purple Enhancements: MLMG, Reach, Sent Two by Two add AoCp when acquired, Pentecost (out Sent 2x2 OR MLaMG)

wouldn't taking out sent 2x2 and Magnificat be knocking out too many battle winners?
Purple/White Enhancement: passover hymn

Multi Enhancement: Lay down your life Referring above, maybe leave it instead of HT?

Black evil characters: Lot's Wife, Woman of Thebez, Shechem, Gib Delegates

Gold Evil Character: Cup-bearer

Gray EC: Sabbath Breaker

Black Enhancements: Gib Trick, Stone of Thebez, Fortify site

1 Multi Evil enhancement: Torment

He uses these to recur his Shechem auto block, one seems like it would be fine, but both?


sent 2 by 2 isn't really a battle winner. Magnificat is, but it's negate-able, which is likely Polarius's reason for taking it out along with making room for something else. I still think it's worth using, but that's more of a personal preference. 
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Re: GardenDisciples/Cannanites, REPs comment please
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2012, 06:46:37 PM »
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AotL instead of Burial. If he doesn't have an AotL then I'm sure plenty of people would be able to give him one.

Herod's Temple is much better than LDyL in meta-games, but in a deck that's not meant to be top-tier I could see LDyL if you're worried about Discarding your SoG.

Wastelands just doesn't do much in Meta-decks, as Sitelock and Golgotha aren't used. Even in sub-prime deck, if you're worried about Sitelock having just Wastelands is the same as having nothing at all. Use The Ends of the Earth or Dragon Raid.

In meta-decks, your offense is streamlined because you only need to win 3-4 battles. If your opponent is using a real defense, you'll outspeed them and win with TGT before you need many battle-winners, and if they're using a meta-defense you'll only need to outright kill KoT. This offense is fast enough to use a slim number of battle-winners, but it's not the end of the world if you feel more comfortable with some redundancy.

If you leave in Torment, add Uzzah. If you leave in Fortify Site, add Canaan. If you leave both in, add Sabbath Breaker and Uzzah.
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Re: GardenDisciples/Cannanites, REPs comment please
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2012, 06:57:07 PM »
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Good stuff, how bout this.

In: AotL, Uzzah.

Out: 2x2, Magnificat, Wastelands.

I left Burial because he uses the two-liner.

He opted for LDyL over HT partly because he's worried about his SoG, partly becasue he doesn't have HT. 

Sabbath Breaker is already in there I think.
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Re: GardenDisciples/Cannanites, REPs comment please
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2012, 07:31:29 PM »
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Missed Sabbath Breaker already being in there. In that case he can afford The Amakelite's Slave, another Brown to potentially play Plot on, a +one to speed, soul generation (especially important since he lacks Harvest Time), and higher likelihood of getting Schechem in time to matter is ftw.
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Re: GardenDisciples/Cannanites, REPs comment please
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2012, 08:09:51 PM »
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For what though? He already generates +3 lost souls with hopper, Gib delegates, and Cup bearer.  Soooo... Maybe TaS for the hopper? 
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Re: GardenDisciples/Cannanites, REPs comment please
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2012, 10:09:27 PM »
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No, Hopper is a +one. I'd axe either Lydia or Mary Mag.
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Re: GardenDisciples/Cannanites, REPs comment please
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2012, 10:39:37 PM »
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No, Hopper is a +one. I'd axe either Lydia or Mary Mag.


Ok then, Scratch one Lydia.  Thanks Pol!
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Re: GardenDisciples/Cannanites, REPs comment please
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2012, 10:45:40 PM »
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No prob. If you and your brother don't already, you should download RTS and start playing online. There's no better way to become a better player outside playing in a ton of district+ tournaments.
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Re: GardenDisciples/Cannanites, REPs comment please
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2012, 10:49:58 PM »
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We would, but we only use Macintosh computers....   :-\

I guess I'll just have to wait for Redemption live...  (maybe it'll be finished in heaven so I can play it there)
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Re: GardenDisciples/Cannanites, REPs comment please
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2012, 10:54:21 PM »
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Or partition your computers.
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Re: GardenDisciples/Cannanites, REPs comment please
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2012, 10:55:20 PM »
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Or emulate windows. Mac - Pretending to be windows for nearly a decade

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Re: GardenDisciples/Cannanites, REPs comment please
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2012, 11:00:17 PM »
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I have no clue about how to partition or emulate or what have you.  I'm a little too Redneck for that.

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EDIT: Seriously though is there a free + easy way to partition the comp or emulate windows?
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