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Re: Gardenciples - T1 MP - Updated 1/15/14 - Want to revamp the defense
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2014, 01:12:53 PM »
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If you'd like to have at least a little enhancement support for TSA, consider using Loaves and Fishes. It can be used for the 5/2 numbers in a BTN battle, it can help generate Lost Souls when you don't have access to any on the table (or there aren't any at all), or it can be combined with Gifts to give you even more drawing.
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Re: Gardenciples - T1 MP - Updated 1/15/14 - Want to revamp the defense
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2014, 02:18:50 PM »
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If you'd like to have at least a little enhancement support for TSA, consider using Loaves and Fishes. It can be used for the 5/2 numbers in a BTN battle, it can help generate Lost Souls when you don't have access to any on the table (or there aren't any at all), or it can be combined with Gifts to give you even more drawing.
That's an interesting idea. Do you have a suggestion for what to swap out for it?

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Re: Gardenciples - T1 MP - Updated 1/15/14 - Want to revamp the defense
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2014, 02:48:57 PM »
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I've never been a fan of First Fruits. If any of your opponents have either Darius Decree or Rain Becomes Dust hiding in their artifact pile, you're going to take a major hit to your offense or deck.
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Re: Gardenciples - T1 MP - Updated 1/15/14 - Want to revamp the defense
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2014, 03:07:39 PM »
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I've never been a fan of First Fruits. If any of your opponents have either Darius Decree or Rain Becomes Dust hiding in their artifact pile, you're going to take a major hit to your offense or deck.
Foreign Wives is another reason to not play it. Loaves and Fishes is really good with Gifts of the Magi and you can draw at the end of your turn unlike First Fruits or play it on TSA like Guardian suggested. Also Gloria in Excelsis Deo is a good option for TSA. You have enough numbers to beat KoT or Tiberius AND you can easily play it before you rescue (to stop uzzah or something ) because it is white.
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Re: Gardenciples - T1 MP - Updated 1/15/14 - Want to revamp the defense
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2014, 03:22:52 PM »
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Really good ideas, thanks guys!

I swapped First Fruits out for Loaves and Fishes. What might I take out for Gloria?

With these 2 enhancement changes, especially since Gloria is from Luke, would it be beneficial to also add Gabriel as someone suggested? Not really sure what hero to take out for that, and I'm already 2 cards too heavy.

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Re: Gardenciples - T1 MP - Updated 1/15/14 - Want to revamp the defense
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2014, 03:30:55 PM »
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Gabriel would be a nice add since he can recur Loaves and Fishes. Perhaps if you trim your defense by one card, you can fit in Gabriel. Personally I like going Hero-heavy in T1 MP as you never want to be left out of getting "freebie" Lost Souls because you don't have any Heroes available.
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Re: Gardenciples - T1 MP - Updated 1/15/14 - Want to revamp the defense
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2014, 04:12:06 PM »
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Then you have to decide which Gabriel you want.

Starter means you can recur---> Loaves and Gloria

DI mean you can recur-----> Consider the Lilies and Gloria

Personally I would go with the starter Gabriel so you can get multiple Loaves off. Not to mention the fact you could easily add Angelic News, another TSA pump or draw card. Personally I would use AN over Gloria.

Because Lydia is out that means you need a anti capture tech all the more. Blue Tassels has the best blanket protect but Covenant of Palestine is probably better in your situation. A) you can use it get to get back heroes if they were capture b4 draw B) It is a Covenant to Stop cbp soul when you want to attack with TSA. The only draw back is it is a covenant so if you have to activate it when you are attack with DI or Garden Girls its stops opponents cbp lost souls which can potentially allow btn to walk in and it does not stop cbn capture.

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Re: Gardenciples - T1 MP - Updated 1/16/14 - Revamped!
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2014, 02:00:05 PM »
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Re-porting my last comment because I went ahead and drew up an idea for it. Replaced the white with silver and some additional purple and also changed the defense to a gray one proposed on the previous page.

I feel like the defense is too sparse, and the deck is still at 51 (even after just plain removing Magnificat) so further suggestions would be most welcome. :)

Thanks for all the comments so far, I really appreciate it! :D

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Re: Gardenciples - T1 MP - Updated 1/16/14 - Revamped!
« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2014, 07:22:46 PM »
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10 heroes is not really enough for a speed deck, but especially a multi deck. I would add one or two more heroes.

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Re: Gardenciples - T1 MP - Updated 1/16/14 - Revamped!
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2014, 07:24:59 PM »
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10 heroes is not really enough for a speed deck, but especially a multi deck. I would add one or two more heroes.

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Re: Gardenciples - T1 MP - Updated 1/16/14 - Revamped!
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2014, 09:52:24 AM »
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I've had 10 heroes in this deck since I first put it together, I can't remember having any issues with that. Any suggestions on who would be a good add, or what to take out for them? I'm already having size issues without adding more into the deck. :P

Possible adds:
-Andrew
-Michael (AW)
-More silver enhs?
-Fishing Boat
-Birth Foretold
-More/different defense?
« Last Edit: January 17, 2014, 11:29:52 AM by browarod »

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Re: Gardenciples - T1 MP - Updated 1/16/14 - Revamped!
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2014, 11:00:52 AM »
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Having defense in multi is merely a liability.
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Re: Gardenciples - T1 MP - Updated 1/16/14 - Revamped!
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2014, 11:05:10 AM »
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Having defense in multi is merely a liability.

Well, considering 2 of his ECs are basically offense (Sabbath Breaker and Vitellius), another of his ECs is a sneaky form of offense (SoT can steal other people's offensive ECs) and the final two are ECs that should probably be in every T1 Multi deck ever (Foreign Wives and Mr Tibbs) then I'd say he's fine.
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Re: Gardenciples - T1 MP - Updated 1/16/14 - Revamped!
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2014, 11:32:49 AM »
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I've decided I'm happier with the defense now (Professoralstad pretty much nailed it) but I'm still trying to settle on the offense.

Regarding the "needs moar heroes" comments, I was thinking of adding Andrew (to give Loaves and Fishes the possibility of doing double duty) and possibly Michael (for CBN Presence), though idk if Michael is needed since I only have the 2 in-battle silver enhancements. However, I'm still not sure what to take out for them. With all the drawing enhancements I have, is Gifts still needed? I honestly haven't gotten many, if any, draws from it the last couple times I've used this deck.

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Re: Gardenciples - T1 MP - Updated 1/16/14 - Revamped!
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2014, 11:33:28 AM »
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I've had 10 heroes in this deck since I first put it together, I can't remember having any issues with that. Any suggestions on who would be a good add, or what to take out for them? I'm already having size issues without adding more into the deck. :P

Possible adds:
-Andrew
-Michael (AW)
-More silver enhs?
-Fishing Boat
-Birth Foretold
-More/different defense?
Yeah add Andrew and James...that gets you to 12 and they both band, Andrew to Peter, James to John...
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Re: Gardenciples - T1 MP - Updated 1/16/14 - Revamped!
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2014, 10:20:08 AM »
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I'm more than willing to add more Heroes, but I would need to take something out for them. I managed to get down to 51 with the last changes but I'm seriously at a loss for what to take out now to put in Andrew (and maybe James). Any ideas?

The previous incarnation of this deck didn't seem to suffer too badly at 52 so perhaps I could just add Andrew and have it be back to that size.

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Re: Gardenciples - T1 MP - Updated 1/16/14 - Revamped!
« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2014, 12:37:10 PM »
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I still say drop blue Tassles, captured ark and add in Andrew if that's who you want and boom ur at. 50.

If you really don't think Phil/Bart is enough protection from capture then dump unholy writ instead of blue Tassles
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Re: Gardenciples - T1 MP - Updated 1/16/14 - Revamped!
« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2014, 05:51:18 PM »
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I swapped Blue Tassels out for Andrew, but if I drop Captured Ark then I have basically no Artifact control since I don't have DoN either.

 


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