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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Deck Building & Design => Type 1 Deck Advice => Topic started by: Unnamed on May 17, 2016, 01:22:16 PM
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I made an EC destruction deck a few years ago (mostly Babs + Judges), and the biggest combo of the deck was to use Hidden Treasures to play Samson’s Sacrifice off of Samuel. I tried to do this one game, and my friend said that I couldn’t do it because of Samuel’s ability. Guess what? Samuel negates play abilities. But the new Samuel doesn’t!
I have put together a rough draft of the former deck with new CoW cards in mind:
Doms
Guardian
SoG
NJ
AotL
CM
Falling Away
Nehushtan
LS
Speed Bump
Exchanger
Resurrection
Retribution
FBTN
Shame
Punisher
Heroes
AWTSN
Joshua
Captain
Asahel
Ishmaiah
Angel @ Shur
Jephthah
Samuel
GE’s
Mustering for War
A Soldier’s Prayer
Samson’s Sacrifice
Sword of the Lord
EC’s
Nergalsharezer
Nimrod
Nebby
K.B. 8) (King Belshazzar)
Babylonian Soldiers
Ashpenaz
Astrologers
The Serpent
EE’s
Forgotten History
The Flood
2k horses
Swift Horses
Dream
Head of Gold
Imitating Evil
Belshazzar’s Banquet
Deceitful Sin
Arts
Chariot
Charms
Hidden Treasures
Ark of the Covenant
Lampstand
Fortresses
Solomon’s Temple
HQ @ Riblah
Alexandrian Ship
As I said, the main premise of the deck is to get rid of their EC’s through little combos (Head of Gold, Samson's Sacrifice, The Flood), so that they’re unprepared for a big FBTN banding chain.
Improvements? Total revisions? New must-add ANB combos? ;D
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Is there a reason you are using awasn over auto? Cause I would use auto, for some speed.
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Is there a reason you are using awasn over auto? Cause I would use auto, for some speed.
Probably because AWSN makes Samson's Sacrifice CBN so things like Gamaliel's Speech or an EC from hand could not negate it.
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Probably because AWSN makes Samson's Sacrifice CBN so things like Gamaliel's Speech or an EC from hand could not negate it.
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Concur for Speech, but Samsons's Sacrifice discards Samuel, so no EC's can block.
Also, I can get site access if they have Ceasarea because of site negation, then Joshua.
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No way to negate SS on Samuel off Hidden Treasures, AutO is superior in every way except for being able to exchange through Nazareth which AutO can't do apparently.
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No way to negate SS on Samuel off Hidden Treasures, AutO is superior in every way except for being able to exchange through Nazareth which AutO can't do apparently.
The reason I have AWSN in is because Negate sites (Caesarea Philippi) + Joshua = no more sitelock. Also, Caesarea happens to counter almost all of my massive EC destruction abilities (Samson's Sacrifice, Head of Gold, The Flood).
I guess the question is that with all the new sitelock counters out, will people still be running Caesarea (probably just for territory protection)?
Adding AutO is a great idea, I'll probably do AutO/Jair in and Mustering for War/A Soldier's Prayer out.
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Angel at Shur could be cut for AutO.
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The angel of the winds would be really nice with this deck. I'd be careful though with this kind of strategy. Blocking from hand could really punish your strategy if done correctly. The easiest is probably Nebby>scattered vs your ftbnb chain.
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The angel of the winds would be really nice with this deck. I'd be careful though with this kind of strategy. Blocking from hand could really punish your strategy if done correctly. The easiest is probably Nebby>scattered vs your ftbnb chain.
Personally, AutO and AWSN would definitely get the cut before Angel of the Winds.
Scattered is a card that counters any banding chains, but there's really no counter to cbn enhancements...oh wait...Coliseum! (best card ever)
About blocking from hand:
1. Characters take up precious hand space. If you didn't know this deck's strategy (which is pretty well concealed by the big banding chain), you would probably lay down at least some of your characters. Another reason to lay down characters is to preempt a Mayhem shuffling them away.
2. If the opponent blocks from hand, then that character will stick around in the territory and generally be discarded or captured before or during the next rescue attempt.
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I was just pointing out you don't have a single way to handle your offense losing. You have zero back up. Your defense is good but your offense just doesn't have enough imo. Cap is your only FBTN hero. He goes away theyour have initiative to play whatever and you have no battle winners offensively. TAOTW was suggested as another alternative to auto or awsn. I think you're overestimating your deck is all. A single block from hand ruins you. A bad draw ruins you. Opponents can out race you and likely will imo. Maybe I'm wrong but you should at least be able to handle problems. How do you handle CBP ls or any CBP enhancement or cbn one. You don't have coliseum in your list so you still have plenty of issues. I like the deck idea for sure. It's pretty cool. If you really wanted to take the ec destruction to the next level noah + the flood off HT was an idea I was considering personally. I like where you're going with this though.
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Yeah, I see your points. Will be putting together a new decklist.
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I do like the inclusion of Sword of the Lord for the side battle aspect, but Sword Against Sword would be a better fit since it can be played on more of your Heroes (being Gold instead of Green).
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A few other things to consider:
You only have one character to play The Flood on. That's too risky, in my book.
Demon defenses could definitely give you a problem, especially if you don't manage to play The Flood.
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Doms
Guardian
SoG
NJ
AotL
CM
Falling Away
Nehushtan
LS
Speed Bump
Exchanger
Resurrection
Retribution
FBTN
Shame
Punisher
Heroes
Noah
AWSN
Joshua
Benaiah
Captain
Asahel
Ishmaiah
AutO
Jair
Jephthah
Samuel
GE's
Samson’s Sacrifice
Sword against Sword
EC's
Nergalsharezer
Nimrod
Nebby
King Belshazzar
Babylonian Soldiers
Ashpenaz
Astrologers
The Serpent
EE's
Swift Horses
Dream
Head of Gold
Imitating Evil
Belshazzar’s Banquet
Deceitful Sin
Sarah's Jealousy
DAE
The Flood
Arts
Chariot
Charms
Hidden Treasures
Ark of the Covenant
Three Nails
Fortresses
HQ @ Riblah
Alexandrian Ship
Coliseum
Do I have too many heroes? Eleven seems like a lot.
I was just pointing out you don't have a single way to handle your offense losing. You have zero back up. Your defense is good but your offense just doesn't have enough imo. Cap is your only FBTN hero. He goes away theyour have initiative to play whatever and you have no battle winners offensively.
Do I need offensive battlewinners with this strategy?
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Do I need offensive battlewinners with this strategy?
The real problem isn't the lack of battle winners, it's the lack of diversity on the offence. FBTN is a great strategy, unless your opponent happens to have Naaman or some other CBN/P granting character or CBN/P enhancements in his hand when you use get rid of most of their ecs. Then he can pick apart your offence with ease. It can work really well some games, but it could be useless another game.
I know you have AUtO, but other than him, you don't really have any ability to draw, so the offence could also be quite slow. And you can't rely on him either, since once you exchange for a judge, they're basically sitting ducks, since you have no enhancement support. Then you're basically relying on your defence to hold the opponent off until most of their ECs are out and you can do damage. You can't risk attacking much before you do your EC destruction, which could take a while to set up.
Regardless, I don't think it's a bad strategy, I just don't think it's one that can consistently work well. I think you'll have some good and some bad games. Depends on your draw and the deck you're against, perhaps more than some other more consistent strategies.
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Using I am Holy might be worthwhile. This will either 1) force them to use DoN on it or 2) force them to put their ECs down or risk having them discarded from hand.
If they use DoN on I am Holy, that makes Chariot stronger because you can just keep pushing Heroes out knowing you'll get them back. If they keep letting you use I am Holy, they will be more apt to put evil cards in play where you can then hit them with Sam's Sacrifice or The Flood.
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One more quick point: Coliseum tosses SAS, but not the Green side battle GEs.
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For the new list if you're running benaiah I'd say the new moses would be great. He's also a gold Judge so it works pretty well for your theme. Not exactly FBTNB but it solves alot of problems for you and is fbtn. Another thought is since you're running babs drawn sword and forest fire. They are battle winners and CBP so they work on moses and benaiah. Plus Nebby can get either and do some damage. Also sword against sword works on moses if I remember right.
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For the new list if you're running benaiah I'd say the new moses would be great. He's also a gold Judge so it works pretty well for your theme. Not exactly FBTNB but it solves alot of problems for you and is fbtn. Another thought is since you're running babs drawn sword and forest fire. They are battle winners and CBP so they work on moses and benaiah. Plus Nebby can get either and do some damage. Also sword against sword works on moses if I remember right.
SAS doesn't work on Moses unless Angel With the Secret Name entered battle earlier.
And yes, if you have Babylonians and Green FBTN heroes like Moses and Benaiah, then you need Drawn Sword and Forest Fire in your deck.