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Deck needs Shrinkage
« on: October 26, 2009, 03:02:25 AM »
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I want to get this ROOT deck down to 105, but idk what 31 cards to take out. Any advice?

Cards in deck: 136
Lost Souls: 13
   Lost Soul (deck discard)
   Lost Soul (deck discard)
   Lost Soul (female only)
   Lost Soul (female only)
   Lost Soul (N.T. only)
   Lost Soul (N.T. only)
   Lost Soul (Site Discard)
   Lost Soul (Site Discard)
   Lost Soul (site doubler)
   Lost Soul (site remove)
   Lost Soul (site remove)
   Lost Souls (2-line)
   Lost Souls (2-line)

Lamb Dominants: 5
   Angel of the Lord
   Grapes of Wrath
   Guardian Of Your Souls
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 5
   Burial
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away
   Mayhem

Fortresses: 7
   Chamber of Angels
   High Places
   Jerusalem Tower
   Pharoah's Throne Room
   Raiders' Camp
   Storehouse
   Wall of Protection

White Sites: 2
   Herod's Dungeon
   Herod's Dungeon

Gold Sites: 4
   Egypt
   Egypt
   Egypt
   Egypt

Artifacts: 6
   Altar of Ahaz
   Chariot of Fire
   Magic Charms
   Magic Charms
   Stone Pillar at Bethel
   Three Nails

White Covenant Cards: 4
   Given Over to Egypt (yellow)
   Given Over to Egypt (yellow)
   Unknown Nation (Yellow)
   Unknown Nation (Yellow)

Silver Heroes: 7
   Angel at Shur
   Angel at Tomb
   Angel of Warning
   Captain of the Host
   Captain of the Host
   The Strong Angel
   The Strong Angel

Blue Heroes: 13
   Asher
   Dan
   Dan
   Ira
   Ira
   Jacob
   Jacob
   Leah
   Levi
   Reuben
   Sarah
   Simeon
   Simeon

Silver Hero Enhancements: 8
   Gathering of Angels
   Gathering of Angels
   Protection of Jerusalem
   Protection of Jerusalem
   Striking Herod
   Striking Herod
   Witnesses to Creation
   Witnesses to Creation

Blue Hero Enhancements: 10
   Abraham's Servant to Ur
   Abraham's Servant to Ur
   Dove
   Dove
   Journey to Egypt
   Obedience of Noah
   Obedience of Noah
   Pleading for the City
   Reuben's Torn Clothes
   Reuben's Torn Clothes

Gold Evil Characters: 20
   Egyptian Archer
   Egyptian Archer
   Egyptian Warden
   Egyptian Warden
   Egyptian Wise Men
   Egyptian Wise Men
   Herod Agrippa II
   Herod Antipas
   Herodias
   Huge Egyptian
   Huge Egyptian
   Jambres
   Jannes
   King of Tyrus
   King of Tyrus
   King So
   Potiphar's Wife
   Potiphar's Wife
   Queen Tahpenes
   Salome

Multi-Color Evil Enhancements: 2
   Herod's Treachery
   Herod's Treachery

Gold Evil Enhancements: 28
   Egyptian Horses
   Egyptian Horses
   Egyptian Spear
   Egyptian Spear
   Enslaved by Egypt
   Enslaved by Egypt
   Evil Spirit
   Evil Spirit
   Failed Objective
   Failed Objective
   Mask of Fear
   Mask of Fear
   Moses kills Egyptian
   Moses kills Egyptian
   Pagan Sacrifices
   Pagan Sacrifices
   Rash Oath
   Rash Oath
   Seemingly Insignificant
   Seemingly Insignificant
   Spreading Mildew
   Spreading Mildew
   Swift Horses
   Swift Horses
   Take as a Slave
   Take as a Slave
   Wonders Forgotten
   Wonders Forgotten
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Re: Deck needs Shrinkage
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2009, 08:48:16 AM »
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I don't have a ton of time to go through this, but first thought is take out a lot of offense.  In a huge defense heavy deck, it will be a while before you can really attack anyway.  So really, winning comes down to whether you stop their offense or not.  If you do, then by that point in the game they won't have much defense left to stop you.  If you don't, then the game's over anyway.
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Re: Deck needs Shrinkage
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2009, 08:49:56 AM »
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you could get rid of of egypt, only 3 are legal. only one herods treachery is allowed also.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2009, 08:54:45 AM by adamfincher »
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Re: Deck needs Shrinkage
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2009, 08:52:37 AM »
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Quote from: adamfincher on October 26, 2009, 08:49:56 AM
you could get rid of of egypt, only 3 are legal.

Since the deck is T1 and he has 13 Lost Souls he could use 13 Egypt since it doesn't have a special ability.
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Re: Deck needs Shrinkage
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2009, 08:56:25 AM »
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yeah, so just take out herod's treachery. i read the rule wrong ::)
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Re: Deck needs Shrinkage
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2009, 10:25:27 AM »
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If you are trying to play a heavy defense, attack when possible.  Then I would suggest taking a few of the double characters out and adding I Am Creator.
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Re: Deck needs Shrinkage
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2009, 11:43:50 AM »
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Do your characters get ganked by your opponent a lot? If not, you could take out Wall of Protection. In a deck this big it's unlikely you'd draw it at the right time anyway, unless you have fortress retrieval that I missed (which is entirely possible :P).
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Re: Deck needs Shrinkage
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2009, 12:28:17 PM »
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13 Lost Souls is not enough for a 105 card deck.  14 in the required number.  You also have 2 Herod's Treachery.  You are only allowed one per deck of multicolor Enhancements.

Burial and Guardian of Your Souls are two cards that I would consider taking out because you don't really have any searching to get them in time for them to be useful.

Chamber of Angels seems like a card that is expendable because you don't have I Am Holy in here and only have 6 angels while also having Chariot of Fire.
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Re: Deck needs Shrinkage
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2009, 01:36:16 PM »
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Good suggestions. I took out the illegal Herod's Treachery and TAS, as well as Burial and GoyS. I also took out the duplicate Heroes in favor of I Am Creator x2, and both Striking Herods and some other stuff. I'm only 22 over now.

And 13 is the correct number of souls for a 105. 14 would be 112.
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Re: Deck needs Shrinkage
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2009, 01:42:01 PM »
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And 13 is the correct number of souls for a 105. 14 would be 112.
False, check the card.
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Re: Deck needs Shrinkage
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2009, 01:53:22 PM »
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That doesn't make any sense...56 is 7, doubling that should be 112 for 14, taking 7 out should yield 105 for 13. Does it not increase incrementally?
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Re: Deck needs Shrinkage
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2009, 02:20:46 PM »
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56=7
63=8
70=9
77=10
84=11
91=12
98=13
105=14
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Re: Deck needs Shrinkage
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2009, 02:22:36 PM »
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What mathematical principle am I totally failing to grasp? I feel like my head is exploding...56 w/7 times 2 =! 112 w/14 AHHHHHHHHH
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Re: Deck needs Shrinkage
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2009, 04:18:51 PM »
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You get to have 7 "free" cards in your deck that don't include a Lost Soul. 1 Lost Soul has to be included for every 7 cards added, but if you notice in the first 56 cards in your deck, you only need 7 Lost Soul cards. 7*7=49, so that means you have one set of 7 without a Lost Soul. Don't ask me why - that's just how it is. ;)
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Re: Deck needs Shrinkage
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2009, 05:08:24 PM »
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If we're taking a vote I'll toss my hat in for requiring 8 Lost Souls in a 56 card deck.  8*7=56   :)
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Re: Deck needs Shrinkage
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2009, 05:10:19 PM »
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If we're taking a vote I'll toss my hat in for requiring 8 Lost Souls in a 56 card deck.  8*7=56
The Lost Soul count is always the number of cards in deck divided by 7 minus 1.  If total card count is 't' and number of required LSs is 'L' then the following will always be true: (t/7)-1=L

Pol, you can't double 56, you have to double 50.
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Re: Deck needs Shrinkage
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2009, 05:31:07 PM »
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Right. The extra '1' offset is what throws the math off. Simply doubling it makes the 1 become a 2, and that causes problems (by doubling the number of 'free' cards). If it were to be, as Gabe suggested, a straight up 7:1 ratio of total cards:LSs, then doubling it would have the more intuitive effect assumed by MP: 56:8 = 112:16.
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