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Re: Daniel Deck
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2019, 10:56:53 AM »
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Quote from: Kor on April 11, 2019, 10:53:37 AM
Quote from: Sean on April 11, 2019, 08:27:46 AM
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I think you lose a large part of the impact of 'drawing' out your deck fast if you remove the dominants (aka free rescues/blocks).  I get that maybe you don't want to have 7 doms, but I feel that at least some should probably make the cut.  Otherwise what are you going through your deck so fast to get?  More sub-par battle winners/characters?
Perfect for me to play against a 7 year old.

...ok?  Are you striving for the ‘best’ deck to play against a 7-year old?  I’m not even sure what that means.  Clearly I misinterpreted ‘here is a dominant-less version for maximum draw potential’ when it really meant ‘I took out the dominants to take it easy on a 7-year okd’.

It is common knowledge that the Daniel enhancements are intentionally underpowered because of fortelling angel.  I’m sorry if my comment sounded like I was attacking your enhancement choices specifically, I was not.  Most enhancements seem pretty bad compared to Son of God.

Having young kids myself, it sounds like he was just wanting a fun deck to lay against his 7yr old. So, having a little less power and running no dominants, but having a fun deck to try to set up/play.
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Re: Daniel Deck
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2019, 11:05:06 AM »
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I have not played at all for over 10 years so I by no means can say I have made the best possible deck or even fully understand the comments/suggestions.  I was just saying that since this one seems to be under powered that it would be nice for me to use as a deck when playing against my son.  He is the 7 year old I was referring to. 

I am also working off of a limited collection at this point so the ability to run a semi competitive deck with few Dominants is appealing to me.  I am hopeful that with the Phase 2 cards that the power boost to the Daniel cards will make this surprisingly effective.

Are Daniel enhancements really purposefully under powered solely because of Foretelling Angel?
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Re: Daniel Deck
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2019, 11:22:40 AM »
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Quote from: Sean on April 11, 2019, 11:05:06 AM
Are Daniel enhancements really purposefully under powered solely because of Foretelling Angel?

Basically yes.  I actually like the Daniel offense from a philosophical game perspective - not having OP/abusable GEs makes them different than other offenses.  I like deck variety.
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Re: Daniel Deck
« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2019, 11:23:58 AM »
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Quote from: Sean on April 11, 2019, 11:05:06 AM
Are Daniel enhancements really purposefully under powered solely because of Foretelling Angel?

Yes, the good enhancements at least. Themes have their strengths and weaknesses. A pure Daniel deck can be extremely fast and has access to several strong characters but has limited options for powerful GEs. There are many really powerful GEs you can use with that offense, but they don't have a Daniel reference.
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Re: Daniel Deck
« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2019, 11:28:01 AM »
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Relative to many other themes, they are less powerful, but they aren't outright useless.

Undefiled, Cast Into Lions Den and the new Stone Cut Without Hands are pretty good options. Unbound is a sneaky play with how popular Bab Merchants and Bab Siege Army are right now. Mene Mene can grab some non-Daniel battle winners or negates from the Reserve so they aren't clogging the main deck.

That being said, the strength of the Daniel deck has always been its speed with Foretelling and its CBN banding with Daniel & Abednego, and so we've decided to keep its enhancements a bit less powerful.
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Re: Daniel Deck
« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2019, 11:56:29 AM »
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Foretelling Angel needs some more counters to the tune of cards doing powerful things cbn except if opponents discards a card from deck. But foretelling angel has always been a very busted card and now its gaining more steam. First it covers it's own weakness (deck discard), second it gives you card advantage without drawing, and third it puts serious limitations on any Daniel card created stifling future card design. It's really a pain in every facet of this game except when you are running it, then it's pretty fun  :maul: Foretelling Angel is very innovative and hands down top 5 genius cards, but the ironic thing is all of his buffs (besides the top reveal and "draw") did not make Daniel a top offense that year. Now, imo, it can be a top offense without the deck protect and cbn.


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Re: Daniel Deck
« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2019, 12:08:19 PM »
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Quote from: TheHobbit on April 11, 2019, 11:56:29 AM
Foretelling Angel needs some more counters to the tune of cards doing powerful things cbn except if opponents discards a card from deck.

I actually used to love The Rabsaris Attacks, back when Siege Army and Survivor were newand I was bad at the game. I wouldn't mind seeing a couple more cards in a similar vein.
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Re: Daniel Deck
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2019, 01:50:04 PM »
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Does a Greek/Heretic defense seem like a good pairing for Daniel based offense and a no Dominant build?  I'm thinking about doing this to be able to use Arrest in Gethsemane/Lacking Prophesy to disable opponent's ability to play dominants.  I think I already have mostly NT Lost Souls in the deck list too and several of the NT Greeks are also Crimson so could use Nebby's Pride, B's Banquet, and of course Abom.  Also would sub in Generous Widow as a potential 2 Dom discard with Lacking Prophesy active if opponent is trying to get under 5 cards.

Thoughts?
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Re: Daniel Deck
« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2019, 02:02:05 PM »
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Re: Daniel Deck
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2019, 02:53:56 PM »
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Re: Daniel Deck
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2019, 03:57:39 PM »
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Quote from: Sean on April 12, 2019, 02:53:56 PM
Whatever you put in the spoiler is not showing up

It's a Willy Wonka meme. Your "safe filter" is probably protecting you from it. ::)
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Re: Daniel Deck
« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2019, 04:30:11 PM »
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ah, I will have to thank my IT department here at work.

What is the point he was making?
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Re: Daniel Deck
« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2019, 04:42:31 PM »
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It's Willy Wonka grinning with a "Go on. I like where you're going with this." caption.  8)

Mostly I was intrigued by the thought of a dominant-less (or lite) deck that used cards like Arrest, Lacking Prophecy and maybe even Altar of Ahaz.
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Re: Daniel Deck
« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2019, 05:01:39 PM »
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Yeah, my favorite part of that is it already works well with good gold and black for Abom+Kindness.
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